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Congrats, Coach Self!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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That may seem like an eternity when we're trying to compete with bluebloods (UNC, UK, Duke) that win it more frequently. The flip side, however, is you could be a Michigan State fan (with Izzo, who gets a lot of positive ink) and be even more dejected--no NC since 2000, and the last one before that in 1979.
We have to do better, relative to our elite peer competitors...but we're not chopped liver, either.
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Somehow if we make it to the Final Four...just one more game we would have been successful?
Whatever. Congratulations to coach Self on getting a team to come together and make a heck of a run. I'm happy with KU basketball. I'm not going to focus on National Championships...No matter what a team does it's NEVER good enough. Fans and media will find something to cry about.
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
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Somehow if we make it to the Final Four...just one more game we would have been successful?
We would've gone from a very good season to a great one.
But let's not use any fan's standards, let's apply the standard that Self himself put forth this season, and reiterated time and again down the stretch. He said the Big 12 title and tourney crown were great accomplishments, but for the season to be "special" (his oft-used phrase), the team needed to get to Houston.
In an article by Keegan the other day, he invoked Jay Wright's comments to elaborate on the significance of a Final Four berth:
At the same time, no loss in any other round stings quite the same as coming so close and then having to watch the Final Four on television.
Villanova coach Jay Wright captured the difference between reaching the Elite Eight and the Final Four in a news conference a day before his team threw a blanket over Perry Ellis and defeated Kansas University, 64-59, Saturday night in the Yum! Center.
“Huge,” Wright said when asked about the difference. “It’s monumental. ... The whole week leading up for the university is great, (and) for the alumni.”
Elite Eight losses rank high among the toughest to stomach in sports.
“I think if you’re in the NBA, you get to the finals, if you don’t win, it’s not that big of a deal,” Wright said. “But getting to the Final Four, it’s so big. It’s defining.”
We didn't come so far this year, to include an overall #1 seed and a 17-game winning streak heading into the E-8 game, only to not walk through that door.
That being said, I took issue with LSHawk's notion that we never win NCs (since we did so in 2008, and got back to the title game in 2012). Both of those seasons were KU-caliber elite seasons...which we need to see more of, IMHO. Different fans have different expectations--and just because not everyone's aligns with yours doesn't mean you're right and they're wrong. The reverse is also true, but I don't see anyone bashing you as a "settler" or anything.
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But I get your passion and the passion of all the fans on this board. I get that you have a different way of coping with a loss and I should respect that. I should respect how everyone copes with a loss. I guess I get a little too sensitive about things. I do believe we should have won the Nova game. But we didn't and so I just try to adjust to that somehow. I wake up the day after the game hoping it was a bad dream but it's not.
But thanks for this reply. I gives me a perspective on you that I didn't have prior. Much appreciated. And keep the stats coming. I look at them all the time. It's funny. I used to keep a stats sheet of my own for every statistic of the players because I didn't think ESPN or CBS updated the overall player stats fast enough after a game...Rock Chalk for life!
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Love your passion...and share it in spades!
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World Games = Champs
Big 12 Regular Season = Champs
Big 12 Championship = Champs
NCAA = Not Champs
Those don't equate to a bad season or a failure to me at all. I think that is how I take the posts of some. Maybe that's not at all what they mean and I'm just inflecting things into their messages. That's just how it comes across. We lost to a great Villanova team that because we had a #1 in front of us, because we considered the overall #1 it was a bad loss, a failure. If we had been a #2 and Nova had the #1 seed would that have somehow changed things for anyone? If Self had not set any kind of expectations would that have been better? If we had played a masterful game and still lost by 1 or 2 points which was possible the way Nova had been playing all tourney would that have been any different? When we lost by 18 to OSU I didn't think we were going to do all that well this season. I told myself I'd be happy at that point to just make it to the Sweet 16. In fact this board was blowing up with rumors that Self was done and going to the NBA and all kinds of madness. That the team was imploding and no one knew what was going on. Then the ship got turned around and we rattled off win after win. So once again the expectations were there to win it all.
I really understand that we are all trying to figure this out and a loss hurts no matter what. I get that. I didn't watch the Nova game and say "Hmm well maybe next year." No I was upset. Big time. In fact I was really actually sick at my stomach. I don't even know why I get so invested in this team but I do. So I get what everyone is going through. I'm sorry if I come across as one who doesn't care about others opinions. That's not me at all.
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Keep in mind that, at least with me, I take a VERY LONG VIEW of KU performance and success, as well, and I am always thinking comparatively and relatively. (And when we get so close, particularly in a year like this one where we're the best team, the field is thinner, and we have a great shot to snag another NC, it hurts big-time to not get it...especially knowing how every year changes, and it may not be nearly as smooth of an opportunity going forward)
KU has had WAY too many "close but no cigar" opportunities in the tournament (going all the way back to 1953 and 1957)--literally the difference in being a 3-NC (NCAA) program vs. something more like the 8-NC UK program. If the ball bounces the other way, we're right there with them--and that is quite frustrating...because it's the sole "hole" or shortcoming in our otherwise unassailable blueblood resume.
As I said last night, KU has too much unique history, tradition, and b-ball pedigree to take a back seat to ANY program. Therefore, I always am gauging our success by how we're faring vis-a-vis the tiny handful of other elite programs. Some may differ with that approach, and it certainly sets one up for more disappointment than joy on an annual basis, but I just can't personally settle for anything less given the hallowed ground that is KU basketball.
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So on a side note. Here is something for you since you mentioned the '53 season.
Marvin Deckert is on that team. That's my wife's uncle. He said Dean Smith was an a-hole. HAHA. It's something fun for you to get you mind off of Nova. It's awesome to talk to him and hear all his stories.
Here's another funny thing. I was just at a leadership conference in Orlando two weeks ago. Some guy was trying to get me to take online courses at the University he worked for. He said "It's a great program from a great University." I just found his card in my back pack as I was looking for something else. He worked for Villanova! I tore the card up!
Rock chalk...we'll get em next year.
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Rock Chalk Forever, old friend!
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Same here, HE. Corpus, phenomenal stuff as always... (need a thumbs-up emoticon!)
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Your wife's Uncle's take on Dean is hilarious. For some reason I'm not surprised.
Good stuff, amigo...
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konza63 wrote: ...Keep in mind that, at least with me, I take a VERY LONG VIEW of KU performance and success, as well, and I am always thinking comparatively and relatively. (And when we get so close, particularly in a year like this one where we're the best team, the field is thinner, and we have a great shot to snag another NC, it hurts big-time to not get it...especially knowing how every year changes, and it may not be nearly as smooth of an opportunity going forward)
KU has had WAY too many "close but no cigar" opportunities in the tournament (going all the way back to 1953 and 1957)--literally the difference in being a 3-NC (NCAA) program vs. something more like the 8-NC UK program. If the ball bounces the other way, we're right there with them--and that is quite frustrating...because it's the sole "hole" or shortcoming in our otherwise unassailable blueblood resume.
Long view here as well, which is why even though KU got stomped by Indiana in the 2nd NCAA NC in 1940 -- in Municipal Auditorium in KCK, our very own back yard -- I include it in those woulda-coulda-shoulda teams. Was IU that much better and Branch McCracken a better coach than Phog in 1940 and 1953? I would argue no, especially in 1953 -- both the teams and the coaches were great. Those were just games that went the way they did, something that happens far too often with far too many coaches in KU history. Just looking at FFs that went south for KU: Allen 1940, 1953; Harp 1957; Owens 1971, 1974; Brown 1986. Looking deeper with Williams: 4 FFs, 5 E8s and 9 times no better than the Sweet 16 in his 14 eligible years. And of course, *our* Self, as CJ has argued the greatest regular season coach in the game today, but once again getting ready to go to the FF as a non-participant.
We *LOVE* what we have, but WE WANT MORE!
Things that make you go AUGH!
Great stuff today, folks, thanks so much!
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Thanks again, replay!
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