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A media missive

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #13693 by Kong
Make no mistake about it, the media has always had some bias. Whether it is in the stories they choose to run or the adjective and adverbs they employ. My issue isn't with bias per se, but with the amount of bias and with a new world order of information.

Muckrakers have existed to publish gossip and slur a candidates name for a very long time. choice of articles has always been an inherent bias in journalism. Choice of terms is always highlighted by a news cast I recall during the Carter/Reagan election. Both candidates held a rally and in the same newscast one was described as a crowd breaking out in a spontaneous display of affection while the other was described as a well orchestrated event.

Rather than deal with those types of issues, I would like to go to sources of information. If you go back just a few decades we had Walter Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley, etc. You had papers that were pretty respected in general. Essentially the entire nation drew its information from the same four or five sources of information. Then everyone drew their opinions from those same sources. At the end of the day, you could have a dialogue as all the facts were uniform, the impact of those facts were the debate.

Today, we have the internet. This allows us to filter what news we receive. Many, if not most, filter it so that they receive information that aligns to their core beliefs. Conservatives read conservative blogs and Liberals read liberal blogs. Now we get together and try to discuss something and we can't. The basic premises are not the same. The "facts" are in question. What is considered fact by one is opinion by another. So this separates everyone even further creating much more hostile discussions, in my opinion, and does not allow for people to come to any middle ground as the basis for that middle ground is in flux and uncertain.

The information age should have brought more information to the forefront and allowed for more informed decisions, but instead it has lead to greater obfuscation and more divisiveness.

Just some random thoughts. What do you think?

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7 years 5 months ago #13716 by DocBlues
I don’t disagree with anything you have written in this post, Kong. As you note, bias has always been in news reporting, but the Internet and 24/7 cable news have greatly impacted how we get our news. I think relatively bias-free news can still be obtained. While we no longer have giants like Cronkite and Huntley and Brinkley, I think the Big 3 networks – ABC, CBS and NBC – still report the news without much bias. BBC, NPR and even Al Jazeera American are pretty even-handed. CNN has a bit of a liberal slant, while MSNBC and Fox are clearly biased. Sites like Breitbart, Infowars and Realpolitics are wildly biased and, in addition, propagate “fake news” to their patrons.

I would make several comments about news bias. First, biased news reporting appears to be desired by many folks. Posters here have repeatedly stated that they are happy that, in Fox News, conservative have their “own” news network. This tells me that these folks are not so much interested in the news as they are in the spin (bias) with which it is presented. Basically, we look for bias that agrees with our own “confirmation bias.” I’d chalk this up to human nature. I also think people may see bias where little or none exists; when the reporting does not conform to their confirmation bias, viewers may conclude the reporting is biased the OTHER way.

The antics of the current occupant of the White House is having a significant impact on reporting by folks on both ends of the political spectrum. Despite my disagreement and intermittent bashing of conservatives, I do respect the intelligence and thoughtfulness of conservative pundits such as David Brooks, George Will and Charles Krauthammer. All three have recently penned op/ed pieces excoriating Dolt 45 for his egregious behavior. Meanwhile, over at Fox, some of the more reasonable news anchors, Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace, have likewise taken Agent Orange to task for his nonsense. I got a chuckle the other day when Allen posted here that she is watching less Fox News because she feels they are veering to the “left.” As you stated, Kong, these are strange times that we are living in: views of conservatives and liberals with regards to Drumpf are actually converging.

While we are on the topic of news reporting, some posters here have repeatedly trumpeted Fox’s being the most widely viewed cable news network. I read several days ago that MSNBC is has supplanted Fox in this position. I’m not gonna say a word. :lol:

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7 years 5 months ago #13719 by Kong
I think we probably are in agreement on a lot of the topic, but it probably comes down to degrees. I disagree that it can be found so readily and disagree that the big 3 are relatively unbiased. But again, I think that just comes down to degrees.

I do like BBC and NPR, but I still keep a wary eye out on them as they often slide from facts into opinion rather quickly. Still better than most though.

Completely agree with this, "First, biased news reporting appears to be desired by many folks." That is partly what I was getting at with the filtering of information to meet their core beliefs. With the flow of information and the computer tools available, that is very easy to do. It just makes it difficult to have any sort of reasonable discussion on many topics due to the baseline of information being so dramatically different. To me that is the most frustrating aspect of the information overload. No common ground can be reached when the base sources of information are so diametrically opposed.

I think the current President has fed off of this chaotic free form "reporting" more than he has fueled it. Though he certainly fans it and fuels it as well. No denying that. By bypassing the mainstream sources he has reached out directly to people. Since people are already predisposed to accepting things from their "trusted sources" and ignoring counter commentary, it gets swallowed whole.

It is interesting to me to a very large degree. We went from some of the most trusted people in the world who reported the news and also made their beliefs known as opinion. To people breaking the news and trying to get there first, often misreporting things as they went.. To people creating the news without regard to facts. Now we are in a place where a guy says that it is fake news and more often than not it is. So even when the "fake news" is correct, their credibility is so much in decline, it is questioned. Journalism as an honorable profession appears to have gone the way of the used car salesman. Can't trust what they say, but you still have to deal with them.

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7 years 5 months ago #13721 by porthawk
I recently read this article from Scientific American. Thought it connects well with what you and Doc have been talking about regarding people reading from their "trusted sources."

opentextmining.org/scientificamerican/jo...american0417-60.html
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7 years 5 months ago #13732 by Kong
I can't readily read the entire article at this time, but the snippets that are presented as teasers certainly point to a great deal of what I believe I have observed. I will try to get to the entire article at a later date. Thanks for the link port

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7 years 5 months ago #13764 by Allen
"While we are on the topic of news reporting, some posters here have repeatedly trumpeted Fox’s being the most widely viewed cable news network. I read several days ago that MSNBC is has supplanted Fox in this position. I’m not gonna say a word."

Fox News did this to themselves. Sounds like a lot of their "faithful" viewers are disgusted like I am and are not tuning in. If they want to veer left, so be it. They will drop in the ratings since they are not "experts" yet at hateful and dismissive speech toward anyone on the right. MSNBC deserves the top spot---they have a hotline from the "unnamed sources".

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7 years 5 months ago #13767 by DocBlues
As I tried to articulate above, the thinking conservatives at Faux have, at long last, come to the conclusion that Dolt 45's behavior in his first 100+ days in the White House clearly show he is unqualified and unfit to be in office. This conclusion is not a liberal/conservative issue: it's common sense. The "faithful" viewers are the Trumpanzees that he was addressing when he said he could should someone on 5th Avenue in NYC and not lose votes.
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