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8 years 9 months ago #3580
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A lot riding on this week's games. In conference road games, West Virginia
played below expectation against Kansas State, TCU, and Texas Tech, while
playing right about at expectation against Oklahoma, and a little above
expectation against Iowa State. Perhaps that bodes well for Kansas. There
is also the question of whether Jonathan Holton's suspension will last for
the entire game today.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 2.4 point margin, with a 59.0 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 148.3 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 75, West Virginia 73.
Kansas has been playing 0.6 points above expectation, but West Virginia
has been playing 1.6 points above expectation, which means that the margin
for Kansas could be just 1.5 points. The Jayhawks still have a negative
trend, but now it's not statistically significant, while West Virginia has
a strongly negative trend. Both teams have negative mental toughness ratings,
though West Virginia's is nearly three times larger. Taken at face value, the
margin for Kansas would increase to 4.3 points. Both teams have comparable
inconsistencies, with the Mountaineers being just a hair better. The Jayhawks
have played 6 out of 22 Division I games below expectation by more than 2.4
points, which would be enough to lose today's game, but only 2 of those were
at home (Harvard and TCU). That corresponds to just a 27 percent chance of
losing today's game. Meanwhile, West Virginia has played 10 out of 23 games
above expectation by more than 2.4 points, but just 3 of those came on the
road (Marshall, Virginia Tech, and Iowa State). That corresponds to a
43.3 percent chance of winning today's game. Those average to a 35.4 percent
chance of Kansas losing, a fair bit better odds than the Sagarin ratings
would suggest.
Massey gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 64 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 78, West Virginia 74.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 3.6 units, but West
Virginia has the better adjusted defense by 3.9 units, which combine to a
0.3 units advantage for West Virginia. With an average of 71.2 possessions
per game, the margin for the Mountaineers works out to 0.2 points on a neutral
court. Add Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, and the margin becomes
3.1 points in favor of Kansas. The ratings suggest a final score of Kansas 75,
West Virginia 72.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 7.0 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
projection of 79 to 72. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage
in four of eight categories, namely points per game, assists per game, effective
field goal percentage, and turnover percentage. Among the key defensive stats,
Kansas has the advantage in four of seven categories; West Virginia holds
opponents to fewer points per game, grabs more offensive rebounds per game,
and gets more steals per game.
Dunkel gives Kansas a 4.5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 7.0 points, so he is picking West Virginia against the spread. With a total
points projection of 142, the implied final score is Kansas 73, West Virginia 69.
Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 149.5, which would imply a final score
of Kansas 78, West Virginia 71. Dunkel's rankings page is broken; I've left
the ranking for Kansas from last time intact, but can't look up the current
ranking for West Virginia.
Real Time gives Kansas a whopping 11.0 point margin with a final score of 84
to 73. The probability of winning the game is given as 69.4 percent.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there.
Dolphin gives Kansas a 2.0 point margin, with a 56.8 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 75, West Virginia 73.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 0.5 units in favor of West Virginia, but we
need to calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling factor
of 0.726 just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick with that
value for consistency purposes. That makes Kansas a 0.3 point underdog on a
neutral court, but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage,
Kansas becomes the favorite by 3.0 points.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 2.0 points in favor of
West Virginia on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court
advantage, and Kansas has a 1.3 point margin.
Seven Overtimes gives Kansas a 5.0 point margin, corresponding to a 67 percent
probability of winning the game. The projected final score is 77 to 72.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 2.6 point margin.
DPPI gives Kansas a 4.2 point margin.
There are nine common opponents, eight from the conference plus San Diego
State, one of which West Virginia has played twice (Kansas State), and one
of which Kansas has played twice (TCU), plus the head-to-head in Morgantown,
giving us 12 scores to compare:
KU +13 SDS on road (+17 neutral)
WV +22 SDS neutral (+22 neutral)
KU -1 WV at home ( -5 neutral)
KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral) KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral)
WV +4 KSU on road ( +8 neutral) WV +15 KSU at home (+11 neutral)
KU +10 WV at home ( +6 neutral) KU +7 WV at home ( +3 neutral)
KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +19 TCU on road (+23 neutral)
WV +8 TCU on road (+12 neutral) WV +8 TCU on road (+12 neutral)
KU -5 WV at home ( -9 neutral) KU +15 WV at home (+11 neutral)
KU -19 OSU on road (-15 neutral)
WV +17 OSU at home (+13 neutral)
KU -24 WV at home (-28 neutral)
KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
WV -2 OU on road ( +2 neutral)
KU +1 WV at home ( -3 neutral)
KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral)
WV -7 UT at home (-11 neutral)
KU +20 WV at home (+16 neutral)
KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral)
WV +4 TT on road ( +8 neutral)
KU +10 WV at home ( +6 neutral)
KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral)
WV +5 ISU on road (+11 neutral)
KU -16 WV at home (-20 neutral)
KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
WV +11 BU at home ( +7 neutral)
KU +21 WV at home (+17 neutral)
KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral)
KU -3 WV at home ( -7 neutral)
Seven of the comparisons favor Kansas, while five favor West Virginia. The
average is 2.9 points in favor of Kansas.
Players to watch: Guard Jevon Carter plays the most minutes, dishes the most
assists, and gets the most steals. Guard Jaysean Paige is their leading scorer,
but also commits the most personal fouls. Forward Devin Williams is their
leading rebounder, but he also commits the most turnovers. Forward Jonathan
Holton has been suspended for an indefinite amount of time, which leaves open
the possibility that the suspension will end sometime during today's game. He
plays the fourth-most minutes, scores the fifth-most points, and grabs the
second-most rebounds, so he's not insignficant.
The average of the various prognostications is 4.1 points in favor of Kansas. The
projected final score would be Kansas 76, West Virginia 72.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 9 # 7 # 5 # 7 # 10 +0.6 10.8 -0.30 +/- 0.36 -0.17 +/- 0.22
West Virginia # 6 # 19 # 4 # 10 # 11 +1.6 10.5 -0.57 +/- 0.31 -0.48 +/- 0.18
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 10 # 11 # 10 # 13 # 5 # 5 # 21 # 6 # 14 # 6 # 10
West Virginia # 7 # 7 # 7 # 17 # 6 # 7 # - # 10 # 43 # 10 # 39
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 8 # 7 # 8 # 7 # 6 # 5 # 9 1.001 19-4 # 5 # 17
West Virginia # 7 # 8 # 3 # 8 # 10 # 4 # 6 1.002 19-4 # 1 # 23
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 6 # 9 # 7 # 32 # 17 # 58 # 14 # 20 # 13 # 10 # 4 # 6
West Virginia # 9 # 28 # 4 # 17 # 7 # 40 # 5 # 30 # 21 # 42 # 1 # 11
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 24-7:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #320 Northern Colorado 109 72 +33.88 +3.12
NEUT # 1 Michigan State 73 79 -1.32 -4.68
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 58 UCLA 92 73 +9.60 +9.40
NEUT # 20 Vanderbilt 70 63 +3.34 +3.66
HOME #269 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +28.89 +4.11
HOME #167 Harvard 75 69 +22.30 -16.30
HOME #305 Holy Cross 92 59 +32.63 +0.37
HOME # 76 Oregon State 82 67 +14.23 +0.77
HOME #172 Montana 88 46 +22.80 +19.20
AWAY # 64 San Diego State 70 57 +6.74 +6.26
HOME # 99 UC Irvine 78 53 +16.32 +8.68
HOME # 32 Baylor 102 74 +8.59 +19.41
HOME # 6 Oklahoma 109 106 +3.42 -0.42
AWAY # 57 Texas Tech 69 59 +6.14 +3.86
AWAY # 4 West Virginia 63 74 -4.21 -6.79
HOME #117 TCU 70 63 +18.90 -11.90
AWAY # 71 Oklahoma State 67 86 +7.35 -26.35
HOME # 31 Texas 76 67 +8.41 +0.59
AWAY # 21 Iowa State 72 85 +0.23 -13.23
HOME # 19 Kentucky 90 84 +6.26 -0.26
HOME # 44 Kansas State 77 59 +11.00 +7.00
AWAY #117 TCU 75 56 +12.26 +6.74
HOME # 4 West Virginia +2.43 0.590
AWAY # 6 Oklahoma -3.22 0.369
HOME # 71 Oklahoma State +13.99 0.906
AWAY # 44 Kansas State +4.36 0.677
AWAY # 32 Baylor +1.95 0.572
HOME # 57 Texas Tech +12.78 0.928
AWAY # 31 Texas +1.77 0.566
HOME # 21 Iowa State +6.87 0.759
Here is West Virginia's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #231 Northern Kentucky 107 61 +27.70 +18.30
HOME # 91 James Madison 86 73 +16.68 -3.68
HOME #315 Stetson 103 62 +34.28 +6.72
HOME #312 Bethune-Cookman 97 44 +34.09 +18.91
NEUT # 86 Richmond 67 59 +13.19 -5.19
NEUT # 64 San Diego State 72 50 +10.95 +11.05
HOME #298 Kennesaw State 87 54 +33.03 -0.03
NEUT # 10 Virginia 54 70 +1.50 -17.50
HOME #174 Louisiana-Monroe 100 58 +23.73 +18.27
AWAY #147 Marshall 86 68 +15.22 +2.78
HOME #206 Eastern Kentucky 84 59 +25.99 -0.99
AWAY #100 Virginia Tech 88 63 +10.73 +14.27
AWAY # 44 Kansas State 87 83 +5.25 -1.25
AWAY #117 TCU 95 87 +13.15 -5.15
HOME # 71 Oklahoma State 77 60 +14.88 +2.12
HOME # 5 Kansas 74 63 +4.21 +6.79
AWAY # 6 Oklahoma 68 70 -2.33 +0.33
HOME # 31 Texas 49 56 +9.30 -16.30
AWAY # 57 Texas Tech 80 76 +7.03 -3.03
HOME # 44 Kansas State 70 55 +11.89 +3.11
AWAY # 24 Florida 71 88 +1.68 -18.68
AWAY # 21 Iowa State 81 76 +1.12 +3.88
HOME # 32 Baylor 80 69 +9.48 +1.52
AWAY # 5 Kansas -2.43 0.410
HOME #117 TCU +19.79 0.977
AWAY # 31 Texas +2.66 0.600
HOME # 6 Oklahoma +4.31 0.676
HOME # 21 Iowa State +7.76 0.791
AWAY # 71 Oklahoma State +8.24 0.784
HOME # 57 Texas Tech +13.67 0.945
AWAY # 32 Baylor +2.84 0.605
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8 years 9 months ago #3589
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oh my goodness.....this is going to be a heart-stopping one, I fear. But I'll bet the old Barn will be Rockin' and Chalkin'
May the Mountaineers be wiped out by a Crimson and Blue avalanche this evening.
(I was gonna go with the coal mining theme.....just couldn't go there....)
May the Mountaineers be wiped out by a Crimson and Blue avalanche this evening.
(I was gonna go with the coal mining theme.....just couldn't go there....)
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8 years 9 months ago #3590
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The end is nothing; the road is all.
-- Jules Michelet
". . . coal mine, moonshine, or move it down the line."
Hide the cows, the Mountaineers are comin'!!!!
Hide the cows, the Mountaineers are comin'!!!!
The end is nothing; the road is all.
-- Jules Michelet
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
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8 years 9 months ago #3597
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Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
Where did you find my picture?
Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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8 years 9 months ago #3601
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Sure hope we win since I got some jabs in against a Kenyucky fan today in Puerto Rico!!!! Cruising the eastern Caribbean. Thank goodness for ESPN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noticed the topic... only 8 conference games left.
Noticed the topic... only 8 conference games left.
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8 years 9 months ago #3602
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The end is nothing; the road is all.
-- Jules Michelet
Except for the team of course.
RC
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Hit 120 decibels tonight...
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JhawkMom flattens UK fan after shipboard verbal exchange.
I LOVE it when you talk smack, Mom!!! Don't take no guff offa nobody!
I LOVE it when you talk smack, Mom!!! Don't take no guff offa nobody!
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8 years 9 months ago #3653
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Holy $h%t, is this true?
Wow Mom, glad you are a Jayhawk,
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Wow Mom, glad you are a Jayhawk,
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
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