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8 years 9 months ago #3416
by asteroid
I hate early tips. It's at 7:00 a.m., Hawaii time.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 12.3 point margin, with an 88.7 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 144.7 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 78, TCU 66. Kansas has been
playing 0.6 points above expectation, while TCU has been playing 0.4 points
below expectation, which means that the margin for Kansas could be 13.2 points.
The Jayhawks still have a strongly negative trend, while TCU has a slightly
negative trend, though it's not statistically significant. Both teams have
negative mental toughness ratings, and neither is statistically significant.
But if you take it at face value, the margin for Kansas drops to 10.9 points.
TCU has been more consistent than Kansas, which makes it harder for the
Horned Frogs to overcome the margin. TCU has played 3 games out of 22 by
more than 12.3 points above expectation, which would be enough to win today's
game. That corresponds to a 13.6 percent chance of winning. Meanwhile,
Kansas has played 3 out of 21 Division I games by more than 12.3 points
below expectation, which would be enough to lose today's game. That
corresponds to a 14.3 percent chance of losing. Those average to a 14
percent chance of losing, a bit higher than derived from the Sagarin
Predictor ratings shown above.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Massey gives Kansas a 10.0 point margin, with an 82 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 78, TCU 68.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 17.5 units, as well
as the better adjusted defense by 0.9 units, which combine to an 18.4 units
advantage for Kansas. With an average of 71.1 possessions per game, the
margin for Kansas works out to 13.1 points on a neutral court. Subtract
Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, and the margin becomes 9.8 points.
The ratings suggest a score of Kansas 77, TCU 67.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Greenfield gives Kansas a 13.0 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
projection of 78 to 65. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage
in six of eight categories; TCU has a higher offensive rebound percentage and
attempts more free throws per field goal attempt. Among the key defensive stats,
Kansas has the advantage in six of seven categories; TCU grabs more offensive
rebounds per game.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Dunkel gives Kansas a 14.0 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 12.0 points, so he is picking Kansas against the spread. With a total points
projection of 149, the implied final score is Kansas 81.5, TCU 67.5 (you pick
the roundings). Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 144, which would imply
a final score of Kansas 78, TCU 66.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Real Time gives Kansas a 5.0 point margin with a final score of 80 to 75. The
probability of winning the game is given as 60.4 percent.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Dolphin gives Kansas a 10.9 point margin, with an 82.6 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 78, TCU 67.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Whitlock's ratings differential is 19.7 units in favor of Kansas, but we need to
calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling factor of 0.726
just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick with that value for
consistency purposes. That makes Kansas a 14.3 point favorite on a neutral court,
but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes
the favorite by 11.0 points.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 11.1 points in favor of
Kansas on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage,
and Kansas has a 7.8 point margin. The BPI has Duke ranked eight spots ahead of
Kansas, and also claims that TCU has played a tougher schedule than Kansas!
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
In the "hard to understand" category, LRMC has Kansas ranked down at #16, five
spots lower than Duke, who fell out of the national polls after another loss.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Seven Overtimes gives Kansas a 6.0 point margin, corresponding to a 73 percent
probability of winning the game. The projected final score is 75 to 69.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
Crotistics gives Kansas a 9.5 point margin.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
DPPI gives Kansas a 12.4 point margin.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
There are seven common opponents, all in conference, once of which TCU has
played twice (Texas), plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us nine
scores to compare:
KU -19 OSU on road (-15 neutral)
TCU -21 OSU on road (-17 neutral)
KU -2 TCU on road ( +2 neutral)
KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral)
TCU -8 WV at home (-12 neutral)
KU +1 TCU on road ( +5 neutral)
KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral) KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral)
TCU +1 UT at home ( -3 neutral) TCU -17 UT on road (-13 neutral)
KU +4 TCU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
TCU -28 BU on road (-24 neutral)
KU +44 TCU on road (+48 neutral)
KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral)
TCU -7 TT at home (-11 neutral)
KU +21 TCU on road (+25 neutral)
KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral)
TCU -13 ISU at home (-17 neutral)
KU +4 TCU on road ( +8 neutral)
KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
TCU -23 OU on road (-19 neutral)
KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral)
KU -1 TCU on road ( +3 neutral)
Seven of the comparisons favor Kansas, while two marginally favor TCU. The
average is 11.0 points in favor of Kansas.
Did I mention that I hate early tips?
The Topeka YMCA makes Kansas a 7 point underdog.
Players to watch: Guard Brandon Parrish plays the most minutes, but that's it.
Guard Malique Trent is their leading scorer and their leading thief, but also
commits the most turnovers and the most personal fouls. Forward Karviar
Shepherd is their leading rebounder. Forward Vladimir Brodziansky blocks the
most shots.
The average of the various prognostications is 10.6 points in favor of Kansas. The
projected final score would be Kansas 78, TCU 67.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 8 # 5 # 9 # 7 # 10 +0.6 10.9 -0.47 +/- 0.39 -0.21 +/- 0.23
TCU #124 # 52 #121 #122 #128 -0.4 9.3 -0.04 +/- 0.32 -0.06 +/- 0.15
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 9 # 9 # 11 # 12 # 7 # 3 # 21 # 7 # 6 # 4 # 6
TCU #146 # 75 #138 # 67 #126 # 80 #133 #140 # 69 #161 # 88
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 7 # 7 # 9 # 7 # 4 # 5 # 8 1.006 18-4 # #
TCU #147 #141 #123 #162 #159 #158 #144 0.402 10-12 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 7 # 5 # 7 # 25 # 18 # 50 # 16 # 9 # 15 # 4 # 5 # 3
TCU #139 # 75 #126 # 53 #131 # 47 #121 # 72 #150 # 64 #122 # 10
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 24-7:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #304 Northern Colorado 109 72 +32.33 +4.67
NEUT # 2 Michigan State 73 79 -1.16 -4.84
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 56 UCLA 92 73 +9.30 +9.70
NEUT # 19 Vanderbilt 70 63 +2.57 +4.43
HOME #270 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +28.93 +4.07
HOME #157 Harvard 75 69 +21.30 -15.30
HOME #301 Holy Cross 92 59 +31.72 +1.28
HOME # 75 Oregon State 82 67 +14.15 +0.85
HOME #171 Montana 88 46 +22.59 +19.41
AWAY # 66 San Diego State 70 57 +6.74 +6.26
HOME # 97 UC Irvine 78 53 +16.11 +8.89
HOME # 32 Baylor 102 74 +8.25 +19.75
HOME # 5 Oklahoma 109 106 +2.38 +0.62
AWAY # 54 Texas Tech 69 59 +5.93 +4.07
AWAY # 4 West Virginia 63 74 -4.25 -6.75
HOME #121 TCU 70 63 +18.89 -11.89
AWAY # 65 Oklahoma State 67 86 +6.73 -25.73
HOME # 34 Texas 76 67 +8.49 +0.51
AWAY # 23 Iowa State 72 85 +0.12 -13.12
HOME # 22 Kentucky 90 84 +6.71 -0.71
HOME # 47 Kansas State 77 59 +11.48 +6.52
AWAY #121 TCU +12.27 0.887
HOME # 4 West Virginia +2.37 0.587
AWAY # 5 Oklahoma -4.24 0.326
HOME # 65 Oklahoma State +13.35 0.892
AWAY # 47 Kansas State +4.86 0.699
AWAY # 32 Baylor +1.63 0.559
HOME # 54 Texas Tech +12.55 0.923
AWAY # 34 Texas +1.87 0.568
HOME # 23 Iowa State +6.74 0.752
Here is TCU's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #316 SE Louisiana 90 77 +17.70 -4.70
HOME #255 Houston Baptist 90 63 +12.59 +14.41
HOME # 87 South Dakota State 67 76 -0.23 -8.77
NEUT # 78 Rhode Island 60 66 -4.44 -1.56
NEUT #162 Illinois State 71 60 +2.64 +8.36
HOME # 18 SMU 70 75 -9.81 +4.81
HOME #247 Colgate 76 49 +11.89 +15.11
AWAY # 58 Washington 67 92 -9.35 -15.65
HOME #343 Prairie View A&M 73 55 +22.31 -4.31
HOME #323 Abilene Christian 80 69 +18.77 -7.77
AWAY #325 Bradley 53 49 +12.42 -8.42
HOME #349 Delaware State 75 47 +24.91 +3.09
AWAY # 65 Oklahoma State 48 69 -8.85 -12.15
HOME # 4 West Virginia 87 95 -13.21 +5.21
HOME # 34 Texas 58 57 -7.09 +8.09
AWAY # 32 Baylor 54 82 -13.95 -14.05
AWAY # 9 Kansas 63 70 -18.89 +11.89
HOME # 54 Texas Tech 69 76 -3.03 -3.97
HOME # 23 Iowa State 60 73 -8.84 -4.16
AWAY # 34 Texas 54 71 -13.71 -3.29
HOME # 83 Tennessee 75 63 -0.76 +12.76
AWAY # 5 Oklahoma 72 95 -19.82 -3.18
HOME # 9 Kansas -12.27 0.113
HOME # 65 Oklahoma State -2.23 0.412
AWAY # 4 West Virginia -19.83 0.024
HOME # 47 Kansas State -4.10 0.314
AWAY # 23 Iowa State -15.46 0.044
AWAY # 54 Texas Tech -9.65 0.109
HOME # 32 Baylor -7.33 0.236
AWAY # 47 Kansas State -10.72 0.102
HOME # 5 Oklahoma -13.20 0.061
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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #3419
by LasJayhawk
Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
How do you feel about early tips?
RC
Ps the Topeka YMCA comment is priceless
RC
Ps the Topeka YMCA comment is priceless
Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
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8 years 9 months ago #3421
by wchawk
asteroid- I always have to look up what your predictions are for each game. I really appreciate you taking the time for us to check it out. I somehow get the impression that you don't prefer the early tip games?
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