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ATWP D1 MBB AY2024-25
7 months 1 week ago - 3 days 22 hours ago #32677
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Setting the stage for the AY2024-25 season.
Click here to go to the AY2023-24 thread.
Barring any edits made to the NCAA Record book during the offseason unrelated to last season's performances, this is the snapshot from which next season will start. This table will be proofed and edited (if needed) against the AY2024-25 official records book when it is published before the start of next season.
LOOKING AHEAD
1. For the second season in a row KANSAS starts the season trailing the leader UK by 5 games. Hopefully AY2024-25 will see KANSAS catch and pass the now Squid-less Lexington school. But don't count on it. Mark Pope is an excellent head coach.
(Query: do we dislike UK less now that Squid has migrated to Sooey U?)
2. UK (2 wins) and KANSAS (7 wins) are certain to become the first programs to earn 2400 wins, and UNC (28 wins) has a shot at joining that stratospheric club as well.
3. Starting the AY2024-25 season the Big 12 will have 6 teams in the Top 25 listing -- #2 KANSAS, #12 Cincinnati, #15 Utah, #17 BYU, #18 Arizona and #21 West Virginia. (It is notable to this Jayhawk that KANSAS is the only old Big 8 school in the listing).
4. AY2024-25 Syracuse (for the second time in its history) and Temple are positioned to join the prestigious 2000 Wins club.
Tied in 6th place, they both need just 7 wins to get to 2000.
5. If #11 Purdue can continue its winning ways without Zach Edey, they have the chance to pass Indiana for 10th place on the list. The Boilermakers trail the Hoosiers by just 2 wins to start AY2024-25.
6. New Big 12 member #15 Utah (3 wins), #16 Western Kentucky (6 wins), second year Big 12 member #17 BYU (8 wins), new Big 12 member #18 Arizona (11 wins) and #19 Villanova (18 wins) are all positioned to reach and pass 1900 program wins in AY2024-25.
Wish them all luck… except when they are playing ANY Big 12 team!
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
Records at the start AY2024-25 per the NCAA Men's Basketball Records Book for the 2024-25 seasonLEGEND
CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
NOTES
1. The table reflects the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season from those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with almost 2100 wins.
3. Connecticut, which played its first season in 1901, is the only program with 4 or more NCAA Tournament titles not in the Top 10. In the Top 10 only 4 programs -- Kansas, Syracuse, Temple and Indiana -- have played more seasons than UConn. In the Top 25 there are 11 programs who have played more seasons (Kansas, Syracuse, Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Cincinnati, BYU, Washington, Penn, Michigan State and Princeton).
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
BEFORE SUMMER 2024 NCAA ADJUSTMENTS
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
Records at the end of AY2023-24 season before NCAA Records summer adjustments
AY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
Rock Chalk Jayhawk
K
U!
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
Click here to go to the AY2023-24 thread.
Barring any edits made to the NCAA Record book during the offseason unrelated to last season's performances, this is the snapshot from which next season will start. This table will be proofed and edited (if needed) against the AY2024-25 official records book when it is published before the start of next season.
LOOKING AHEAD
1. For the second season in a row KANSAS starts the season trailing the leader UK by 5 games. Hopefully AY2024-25 will see KANSAS catch and pass the now Squid-less Lexington school. But don't count on it. Mark Pope is an excellent head coach.
(Query: do we dislike UK less now that Squid has migrated to Sooey U?)
2. UK (2 wins) and KANSAS (7 wins) are certain to become the first programs to earn 2400 wins, and UNC (28 wins) has a shot at joining that stratospheric club as well.
3. Starting the AY2024-25 season the Big 12 will have 6 teams in the Top 25 listing -- #2 KANSAS, #12 Cincinnati, #15 Utah, #17 BYU, #18 Arizona and #21 West Virginia. (It is notable to this Jayhawk that KANSAS is the only old Big 8 school in the listing).
4. AY2024-25 Syracuse (for the second time in its history) and Temple are positioned to join the prestigious 2000 Wins club.
Tied in 6th place, they both need just 7 wins to get to 2000.
5. If #11 Purdue can continue its winning ways without Zach Edey, they have the chance to pass Indiana for 10th place on the list. The Boilermakers trail the Hoosiers by just 2 wins to start AY2024-25.
6. New Big 12 member #15 Utah (3 wins), #16 Western Kentucky (6 wins), second year Big 12 member #17 BYU (8 wins), new Big 12 member #18 Arizona (11 wins) and #19 Villanova (18 wins) are all positioned to reach and pass 1900 program wins in AY2024-25.
Wish them all luck… except when they are playing ANY Big 12 team!
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
Records at the start AY2024-25 per the NCAA Men's Basketball Records Book for the 2024-25 season
RANK PROGRAM WON LOST WIN% CYW CYL CYW% WB ΔKU NCAAC
1 Kentucky 2398 758 0.760 0 0 0.000 0 0 8
2 Kansas 2393 896 0.728 0 0 0.000 5 na 4
3 N Carolina 2372 860 0.734 0 0 0.000 26 0 6
4 Duke 2300 929 0.712 0 0 0.000 98 0 5
5 UCLA 2002 905 0.689 0 0 0.000 396 0 11
6 Syracuse 1993 976 0.671 0 0 0.000 405 0 1
6 Temple 1993 1157 0.633 0 0 0.000 405 0 0
8 Notre Dame 1963 1109 0.639 0 0 0.000 435 0 0
9 St. John’s 1942 1098 0.639 0 0 0.000 456 0 0
10 Indiana 1931 1117 0.634 0 0 0.000 467 0 5
11 Purdue 1929 1080 0.641 0 0 0.000 469 0 0
12 Cincinnati 1911 1079 0.639 0 0 0.000 487 0 2
13 Illinois 1907 1061 0.643 0 0 0.000 491 0 0
14 Texas 1900 1139 0.625 0 0 0.000 498 0 0
15 Utah 1898 1084 0.636 0 0 0.000 500 0 1
16 W Kentucky 1894 985 0.658 0 0 0.000 504 0 0
17 BYU 1892 1145 0.623 0 0 0.000 506 0 0
18 Arizona 1889 986 0.657 0 0 0.000 509 0 1
19 Villanova 1882 989 0.656 0 0 0.000 516 0 3
20 Washington 1862 1268 0.595 0 0 0.000 536 0 0
21 W Virginia 1855 1175 0.612 0 0 0.000 543 0 0
22 Penn 1846 1170 0.612 0 0 0.000 552 0 0
23 UConn 1837 1015 0.644 0 0 0.000 561 0 6
24 Princeton 1831 1124 0.620 0 0 0.000 567 0 0
24 Michigan St 1831 1156 0.613 0 0 0.000 567 0 2CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
NOTES
1. The table reflects the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season from those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with almost 2100 wins.
3. Connecticut, which played its first season in 1901, is the only program with 4 or more NCAA Tournament titles not in the Top 10. In the Top 10 only 4 programs -- Kansas, Syracuse, Temple and Indiana -- have played more seasons than UConn. In the Top 25 there are 11 programs who have played more seasons (Kansas, Syracuse, Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Cincinnati, BYU, Washington, Penn, Michigan State and Princeton).
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
BEFORE SUMMER 2024 NCAA ADJUSTMENTS
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
Records at the end of AY2023-24 season before NCAA Records summer adjustments
RANK PROGRAM WON LOST WIN% CYW CYL CYW% WB ΔKU NCAAC
1 Kentucky 2398 758 0.760 0 0 0.000 0 0 8
2 Kansas 2393 896 0.728 0 0 0.000 5 na 4
3 N Carolina 2372 860 0.734 0 0 0.000 26 0 6
4 Duke 2300 929 0.712 0 0 0.000 98 0 5
5 UCLA 2002 905 0.689 0 0 0.000 396 0 11
6 Syracuse 1993 976 0.671 0 0 0.000 405 0 1
6 Temple 1993 1157 0.633 0 0 0.000 405 0 0
8 Notre Dame 1963 1109 0.639 0 0 0.000 435 0 0
9 St. John’s 1942 1098 0.639 0 0 0.000 456 0 0
10 Indiana 1931 1117 0.634 0 0 0.000 467 0 5
11 Purdue 1929 1080 0.641 0 0 0.000 469 0 0
12 Cincinnati 1911 1079 0.639 0 0 0.000 487 0 2
13 Illinois 1907 1061 0.643 0 0 0.000 491 0 0
14 Texas 1900 1139 0.625 0 0 0.000 498 0 0
15 Utah* 1897 1082 0.637 0 0 0.000 501 0 1
16 W Kentucky 1894 985 0.658 0 0 0.000 504 0 0
17 BYU 1892 1145 0.623 0 0 0.000 506 0 0
18 Arizona 1889 986 0.657 0 0 0.000 509 0 1
19 Villanova 1882 989 0.656 0 0 0.000 516 0 3
20 Washington 1862 1268 0.595 0 0 0.000 536 0 0
21 W Virginia 1855 1175 0.612 0 0 0.000 543 0 0
22 Penn 1846 1170 0.612 0 0 0.000 552 0 0
23 UConn 1837 1015 0.644 0 0 0.000 561 0 6
24 Princeton 1831 1124 0.620 0 0 0.000 567 0 0
24 Michigan St 1831 1156 0.613 0 0 0.000 567 0 2
*Before NCAA Summer 2024 adjustmentsAY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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3 days 21 hours ago - 3 days 19 hours ago #33150
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
1. Note that the table for this first post for the AY2024-25 season includes the NCAA summer 2024 adjustments to Utah's all-time record (an additional win and two additional losses).
2. KANSAS has already gained a game on UK in the first few weeks of the season, trailing by 4 games after Sunday's games since UK has only played 3 games to KU's 4. Mark Pope is an excellent head coach, so expect a battle all year (at worst, please!)
(Query: do we dislike UK less now that Squid has migrated to Sooey U?)
3. Syracuse (for a second time in its history) and Temple will join the 2000 wins club this season. They are currently tied for 6th place with 1996 wins.
4. Projected new members of the 1900 wins club in AY2024-25
Utah hit 1900 with its second win of the season.
Still looking forward to getting there...ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
thru games played 2024-11-17LEGEND
CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
NOTES
1. The table reflects the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season from those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with almost 2100 wins.
3. Connecticut, which played its first season in 1901, is the only program with 4 or more NCAA Tournament titles not in the Top 10. In the Top 10 only 4 programs -- Kansas, Syracuse, Temple and Indiana -- have played more seasons than UConn. In the Top 25 there are 11 programs who have played more seasons (Kansas, Syracuse, Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Cincinnati, BYU, Washington, Penn, Michigan State and Princeton).
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
AY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
Rock Chalk Jayhawk
K
U!
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
2. KANSAS has already gained a game on UK in the first few weeks of the season, trailing by 4 games after Sunday's games since UK has only played 3 games to KU's 4. Mark Pope is an excellent head coach, so expect a battle all year (at worst, please!)
(Query: do we dislike UK less now that Squid has migrated to Sooey U?)
3. Syracuse (for a second time in its history) and Temple will join the 2000 wins club this season. They are currently tied for 6th place with 1996 wins.
4. Projected new members of the 1900 wins club in AY2024-25
Utah hit 1900 with its second win of the season.
Still looking forward to getting there...
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1894 1896 Western Kentucky
1892 1896 BYU
1889 1891 Arizona
1882 1884 Villanova (uncharacteristically off to the worst start in the ATWP Top 25 so far)Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
thru games played 2024-11-17
RANK PROGRAM WON LOST WIN% CYW CYL CYW% WB ΔKU NCAAC
1 Kentucky 2401 758 0.760 3 0 1.000 0 -1 8
2 Kansas 2397 896 0.728 4 0 1.000 4 na 4
3 N Carolina 2374 861 0.734 2 1 0.667 27 -2 6
4 Duke 2303 930 0.712 3 1 0.750 98 -1 5
5 UCLA 2005 906 0.689 3 1 0.750 396 -1 11
6 Syracuse 1996 976 0.672 3 0 1.000 405 -1 1
6 Temple 1996 1158 0.633 3 1 0.750 405 -1 0
8 Notre Dame 1966 1109 0.639 3 0 1.000 435 -1 0
9 St. John’s 1946 1098 0.639 4 0 1.000 455 0 0
10 Indiana 1934 1117 0.634 3 0 1.000 467 -1 5
11 Purdue 1933 1080 0.642 4 0 1.000 468 0 0
12 Cincinnati 1914 1079 0.639 3 0 1.000 487 -1 2
13 Illinois 1910 1061 0.643 3 0 1.000 491 -1 0
14 Texas 1903 1140 0.625 3 1 0.750 498 -1 0
15 Utah 1901 1085 0.637 3 1 0.750 500 -1 1
16 W Kentucky 1896 987 0.658 2 2 0.500 505 -2 0
16 BYU 1896 1145 0.623 4 0 1.000 505 0 0
18 Arizona 1891 987 0.657 2 1 0.667 510 -2 1
19 Villanova 1884 992 0.655 2 3 0.400 517 -2 3
20 Washington 1865 1269 0.595 3 1 0.750 536 -1 0
21 W Virginia 1857 1176 0.612 2 1 0.667 544 -2 0
22 Penn 1848 1172 0.612 2 2 0.500 553 -2 0
23 UConn 1840 1015 0.644 3 0 1.000 561 -1 6
24 Princeton 1835 1125 0.620 4 1 0.800 566 0 0
25 Michigan St 1834 1157 0.613 3 1 0.750 567 -1 2CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
NOTES
1. The table reflects the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season from those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with almost 2100 wins.
3. Connecticut, which played its first season in 1901, is the only program with 4 or more NCAA Tournament titles not in the Top 10. In the Top 10 only 4 programs -- Kansas, Syracuse, Temple and Indiana -- have played more seasons than UConn. In the Top 25 there are 11 programs who have played more seasons (Kansas, Syracuse, Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Cincinnati, BYU, Washington, Penn, Michigan State and Princeton).
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
AY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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