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predictions for Gonzaga game
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8 months 17 hours ago #32530
by asteroid
From here on out, we're likely to be facing teams ranked higher than
Kansas. Of course, upsets in other parts of the bracket are always
possible. Yes, I'd rather face Utah State in the Sweet Sixteen, Oregon
in the Elite Eight, Oakland in the Final Four, and Yale (again) in
the Championship game, but the odds of that happening are probably
less than beating Purdue, Tennessee, and Houston.
Gonzaga has played double-digits above expectation in three of their
last five games, and above expectation in four of those games. Now,
you can interpret that in two ways. One, you could say that Gonzaga
is on a positive trend, which would be bad news for Kansas. But on
the other hand, you could also say that the law of averages is due
to kick in sooner or later, and Gonzaga is due to play a game below
expectation, which would be better news for Kansas. Meanwhile, the
Jayhawks have played three consecutive below-expectation games and
five out of the last six. Again, take your pick between a negative
trend (bad news) or being due for an above-expectation game (good news).
As you might expect for a 4/5 seed matchup, the various predictions
are all very close, so the game could go either way. Vegas knows
that McCullar is out, so one might take their 4.5 point margin in
favor of Gonzaga with more weight than the various computer rankings
that know nothing about injuries. Dunkel also knows about the injury,
which probably explains the 9 point margin prediction in favor of
Gonzaga, the most pessimistic of the lot. There are some predictions
that favor Kansas. Seven Overtimes has the Jayhawks by 1 point, and
ditto for Colley. The common opponent comparison is the most optimistic,
Kansas being favored by 4 points, but that is based on only three games,
all early in the season (for Kansas, though Gonzaga played Kentucky
during their conference season) when McCullar was available. The
average of 16 predictions favors Gonzaga by just 2.2 points, with a
scatter of 3.0 points, so it's basically a toss-up game, one that
could go down to the wire.
There are various game analyses on YouTube, in which strengths and
weaknesses are compared. I won't try to summarize all those here.
It's a relatively early tip, so I'll post this now and get a good
night of sleep before the game.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats Gon KU Defensive Stats Gon KU
Points/Game 83.7 75.6 Opp Points/Game 69.2 69.7
Avg Score Margin +14.5 +5.8 Opp Effective FG % 46.9 47.7
Assists/Game 16.5 18.7 Off Rebounds/Gm 9.3 7.2
Total Rebounds/Gm 38.4 35.9 Def Rebounds/Gm 25.8 25.7
Effective FG % 56.8 53.8 Blocks/Game 3.8 4.0
Off Rebound % 31.9 24.1 Steals/Game 6.8 7.2
FTA/FGA 0.314 0.332 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.8 14.9
Turnover % 12.2 14.9
My Stats Comparison KU Gon
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.92 +0.94
inconsistency 12.73 9.80
trend -0.34 ± 0.24 +0.21 ± 0.19
mental toughness -0.18 ± 0.24 0.00 ± 0.15
average total pts 145.38 152.94
Common Opponents
================
There are three common opponents, namely Yale, UConn, and Kentucky:
KU +15 Yale at home (+12 neutral court)
Gon +15 Yale at home (+12 neutral court)
KU 0 Gon neutral ( 0 neutral court)
KU +4 Conn at home ( +1 neutral court)
Gon -13 Conn neutral (-13 neutral court)
KU +14 Gon neutral (+14 neutral court)
KU +5 Kent neutral ( +5 neutral court)
Gon +4 Kent on road ( +7 neutral court)
KU -2 Gon neutral ( -2 neutral court)
One comparison favors Kansas, one comparison favors Gonzaga, and one is a wash.
The average is 4 points in favor of Kansas.
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most points Graham Ike (forward)
most rebounds Anton Watson (forward)
most assists Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most steals Anton Watson (forward)
most blocks Braden Huff (forward)
most turnovers Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most fouls Graham Ike (forward)
Reserve guard Steele Venters has been out for the season with a knee injury.
I might take these with a grain of salt, as it appears that Greenfield has a
serious bug in their database, based on the fact that the Kansas player with the
most minutes is Charlie McCarthy with 37.00, the Kansas player with the most
points is Charlie McCarthy with 34.00, and the Kansas player with the most steals
is Charlie McCarthy with 2.00. "To err is humnan; to really screw up takes a
computer."
23-10 26-7
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Gonzaga
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Massey -3.00 74 77 41 # 13 # 6 # 11 # 85
Pomeroy -2.60 75 78 40.3 # 23 # 3 # 13 #101
Greenfield -4.50 73.5 78 # 18 # 10 # 15 # 55
Dunkel -9.00 73 82 # 49 # 10
Vegas (via Dunkel) -4.50 74 78
Dolphin Predictive -1.69 75 77 44.2 # 28 # 9 # 17 # 66
Real Time -1.00 70 71 48.0 # 31 # 9 # 28 #124
Seven Overtimes +1.00 75 74 52 # 9 # 14 # 13 #103
DPPI -2.50 74 76 43.2 # 16 # 6 # 17 #117
ESPN BPI -2.40 40.9 # 20 # 6 # 15 # 85
Whitlock -0.97 # 22 # 12 # 16 #119
Colley Matrix +0.96 # 22 # 7 # 30 #112
Donchess -0.50 77 77 48.9 # 19 # 6 # 14 #102
Haslametrics -5.49 73 78 # 27 # 8
INCCStats -3.00 76 79 40 # 23 # 14
common opponents +4.00
NCAA NET # 19 # 17
LRMC # 25 # 11 # 20 #114
Massey composite # 17 # 15
Pomeroy offense # 61 # 8
Pomeroy defense # 13 # 42
Pomeroy tempo # 84 # 79
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average -2.20 74.1 77.1 44.3
scatter 2.99 1.8 2.7 4.4
Here is Kansas' season:
CUMU.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB. PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- ----- -----
HOME #255 North Carolina Central 99 56 +20.81 +22.19
HOME #337 Manhattan 99 61 +28.45 +9.55
NEUT # 22 Kentucky 89 84 -0.15 +5.15
Div2 Chaminade 83 56
NEUT # 12 Marquette 59 73 -2.59 -11.41
NEUT # 7 Tennessee 69 60 -5.19 +14.19
HOME #321 Eastern Illinois 71 63 +25.50 -17.50
HOME # 1 Connecticut 69 65 -5.30 +9.30
HOME #209 UMKC 88 69 +18.85 +0.15
HOME #152 Missouri 73 64 +15.26 -6.26
AWAY # 92 Indiana 75 71 +3.52 +0.48
HOME # 79 Yale 75 60 +9.08 +5.92
NEUT #155 Wichita St. 86 67 +12.14 +6.86
HOME # 42 TCU 83 81 +5.34 -3.34
AWAY # 65 UCF 60 65 +1.30 -6.30
HOME # 45 Oklahoma 78 66 +5.54 +6.46
AWAY #116 Oklahoma St. 90 66 +5.90 +18.10
AWAY #144 West Virginia 85 91 +8.25 -14.25
HOME # 43 Cincinnati 74 69 +5.34 -0.34
AWAY # 6 Iowa St. 75 79 -8.83 +4.83
HOME #116 Oklahoma St. 83 54 +12.90 +16.10
HOME # 2 Houston 78 65 -4.99 +17.99
AWAY # 69 Kansas St. 70 75 +1.44 -6.44
HOME # 14 Baylor 64 61 +1.04 +1.96
AWAY # 32 Texas Tech 50 79 -2.55 -26.45
AWAY # 45 Oklahoma 67 57 -1.46 +11.46
HOME # 24 Texas 86 67 +3.57 +15.43
HOME # 17 BYU 68 76 +2.59 -10.59
AWAY # 14 Baylor 74 82 -5.96 -2.04
HOME # 69 Kansas St. 90 68 +8.44 +13.56
AWAY # 2 Houston 46 76 -11.99 -18.01
NEUT # 43 Cincinnati 52 75 +1.84 -24.84
NEUT # 83 Samford 93 89 +6.49 -2.49
NEUT # 13 Gonzaga 75 78 -2.60 0.403 0.403
NEUT # 3 Purdue 71 78 -7.24 0.247 0.100
NEUT # 7 Tennessee 70 75 -5.19 0.312 0.031
NEUT # 2 Houston 61 70 -8.49 0.211 0.007
NEUT # 1 Connecticut 67 76 -8.80 0.203 0.001
Here is Gonzaga's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME # 79 Yale 86 71 +11.52 +3.48
NAIA Eastern Oregon 123 57
NEUT # 3 Purdue 63 73 -4.72 -5.28
NEUT # 86 Syracuse 76 57 +9.19 +9.81
NEUT # 96 UCLA 69 65 +9.29 -5.29
HOME #243 Cal St. Bakersfield 81 65 +22.15 -6.15
NEUT # 87 USC 89 76 +8.86 +4.14
HOME #333 Arkansas Pine Bluff 111 71 +32.15 +7.85
AWAY # 59 Washington 73 78 +3.36 -8.36
HOME #362 Mississippi Valley St. 78 40 +38.58 -0.58
NEUT # 1 Connecticut 63 76 -6.38 -6.62
HOME #308 Jackson St. 100 76 +27.34 -3.34
HOME # 19 San Diego St. 74 84 +5.44 -15.44
HOME #223 Pepperdine 86 60 +22.04 +3.96
HOME #257 San Diego 101 74 +24.65 +2.35
AWAY #107 Santa Clara 76 77 +8.15 -9.15
AWAY #223 Pepperdine 86 61 +15.04 +9.96
AWAY #257 San Diego 105 63 +17.65 +24.35
HOME # 64 San Francisco 77 72 +10.68 -5.68
AWAY #358 Pacific 82 73 +27.94 -18.94
HOME #189 Loyola Marymount 92 58 +19.79 +14.21
HOME # 20 Saint Mary's 62 64 +5.41 -7.41
HOME #298 Portland 96 64 +26.21 +5.79
AWAY # 22 Kentucky 89 85 -0.92 +4.92
AWAY #189 Loyola Marymount 91 74 +12.79 +4.21
HOME #358 Pacific 102 76 +34.94 -8.94
AWAY #298 Portland 86 65 +19.21 +1.79
HOME #107 Santa Clara 94 81 +15.15 -2.15
AWAY # 64 San Francisco 86 68 +3.68 +14.32
AWAY # 20 Saint Mary's 70 57 -1.59 +14.59
NEUT # 64 San Francisco 89 77 +7.18 +4.82
NEUT # 20 Saint Mary's 60 69 +1.91 -10.91
NEUT # 67 McNeese St. 86 65 +7.09 +13.91
NEUT # 23 Kansas 78 75 +2.60 0.597
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