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8 months 1 week ago #32452
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It's the post-season. Everybody's nicked up. Kansas is out a couple of starters.
Cincinnati might be minus a couple of contributors, but they're not the top players.
Advantage Bearcats. At least Kansas isn't on the road. Indeed, it may be as close
to a home court as we can get without actually playing in Allen Field House.
Advantage Kansas. Still, the homecourt advantage is only about 3 points, whereas
McCullar and Dickinson account for 36.32 points per game. The highest-scoring
non-starters, Jackson and Timberlake, account for just 8.78 points per game, though
a lot of that is because of their limited minutes. If you scale that up to a full
40 minutes, which is unlikely, Timberlake would score 13.23 and Jackson would score
9.11 points. That's still a loss of 14 points per game. And THEIR subs will
likely reduce the output even further. The more likely backup for Dickinson is
Braun, who scores at a 11.57 points per 40 minutes pace. I'll expect to see KJ
at the five when Braun needs a rest. Surely they wouldn't pull the redshirt off
of Clemence just for the Big 12 Tournament. And I wouldn't be surpriesd to see
some Jankovich either, especially if the team needs some long-range shooting.
Now, let's assume that Lakhin and Fredrick are out. That costs Cincinnati just
15.85 points, and their likely subs can replace the bulk of that.
Vegas knows about the injury situation. So does Greenfield, who usually agrees
with Vegas on every prediction. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if their two
predictions are ALWAYS in agreement, but they keep changing dynamically, so any
differences are due to when I happen to check Greenfield's posting and Dunkel's
posting (I'm always getting the Vegas prediction from Dunkel's web site).
Anyway, Vegas and Greenfield are the only ones predicting Kansas to lose, and by
2.5 points. Everybody else is picking Kansas to win. The average favors Kansas
by 3.5 points, with a scatter of 3.2 points.
If you look at the "My Stats" section below, you see how similar the two teams
are. Cincinnati is a fraction of a point more underrated, but more consistent
than Kansas, and the trend and mental toughness ratings are comparable, as is
the total points. Kansas has a better record and has played a more difficult
schedule. But then look at the common opponents section, and you see that
more comparisons favor Cincinnati than Kansas (by the slimmest of margins),
but the average favors Kansas by a point.
I suspect most Jayhawk fans are resigned to not winning the Big 12 Tournament,
and with the team needing time to rest and heal, would be perfectly content to
have the Jayhawks lose today and prepare for the bigger prize in the Big Dance.
I take a somewhat different attitude. Realizing that depth isn't as critical
during the Big Dance because of the longer timeouts and the games being
scheduled just two to a week, with no travel between the most closely spaced
games, I still worry about the foul situation. I would not be surprised at
all to see Big 12 teams hampered by whistle-happy officials who won't tolerate
the degree of physicality that Big 12 referees have allowed. Indeed, I've
heard that Houston gets away with such physical play because the refs couldn't
possibly blow the whistle on every possession. But the NCAA refs may not let
them get away with it. My guess is that the Big 12 teams with the most depth
will more likely play to seed, because they can afford the extra fouls that
are likely to get called. Because of that, Kansas needs to get as much bench
experience as possible before next week, and that means letting the bench get
as many minutes as possible this week in a tournament setting. No, I do not
want to go home after today. Let's at least get to the semifinals.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats UC KU Defensive Stats UC KU
Points/Game 75.3 75.8 Opp Points/Game 68.4 69.0
Avg Score Margin +6.9 +6.8 Opp Effective FG % 48.1 47.7
Assists/Game 14.9 18.7 Off Rebounds/Gm 12.0 7.2
Total Rebounds/Gm 39.6 35.6 Def Rebounds/Gm 24.7 25.3
Effective FG % 50.4 54.0 Blocks/Game 4.4 3.8
Off Rebound % 36.7 24.3 Steals/Game 6.6 7.3
FTA/FGA 0.287 0.334 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.4 14.8
Turnover % 14.6 14.6
My Stats Comparison KU UC
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.92 +1.33
inconsistency 12.16 10.27
trend -0.21 ± 0.26 -0.16 ± 0.20
mental toughness -0.17 ± 0.23 -0.10 ± 0.18
average total pts 144.77 143.66
Common Opponents
================
There are twelve common opponents, all in conference, two of which Cincinnati has
played twice (TCU, UCF ), one of which Cincinnati has played thrice (West Virginia),
three of which Kansas has played twice (Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas State), two of
which both teams have played twice (Oklahoma, Houston), plus the head-to-head in
Lawrence, giving us twenty two scores to compare:
KU -8 BYU at home (-11 neutral court)
UC +11 BYU on road (+14 neutral court)
KU -25 UC neutral (-25 neutral court)
KU +19 UT at home (+16 neutral court)
UC -1 UT at home ( -4 neutral court)
KU +20 UC neutral (+20 neutral court)
KU -8 BU on road ( -5 neutral court) KU +3 BU at home ( 0 neutral court)
UC -3 BU on road ( 0 neutral court) UC -3 BU on road ( 0 neutral court)
KU -5 UC neutral ( -5 neutral court) KU 0 UC neutral ( 0 neutral court)
KU +2 TCU at home ( -1 neutral court) KU +2 TCU at home ( -1 neutral court)
UC +4 TCU at home ( +1 neutral court) UC -18 TCU on road (-15 neutral court)
KU -2 UC neutral ( -2 neutral court) KU +14 UC neutral (+14 neutral court)
KU +12 OU at home ( +9 neutral court) KU +10 OU on road (+13 neutral court)
UC -4 OU at home ( -7 neutral court) UC -3 OU on road ( 0 neutral court)
KU +16 UC neutral (+16 neutral court) KU +13 UC neutral (+13 neutral court)
KU -5 UCF on road ( -2 neutral court) KU -5 UCF on road ( -2 neutral court)
UC +11 UCF at home ( +8 neutral court) UC +2 UCF on road ( +5 neutral court)
KU -10 UC neutral (-10 neutral court) KU -7 UC neutral ( -7 neutral court)
KU -6 WVU on road ( -3 neutral court) KU -6 WVU on road ( -3 neutral court)
UC -4 WVU on road ( -1 neutral court) UC +36 WVU at home (+33 neutral court)
KU -2 UC neutral ( -2 neutral court) KU -36 UC neutral (-36 neutral court)
KU -6 WVU on road ( -3 neutral court)
UC +5 WVU neutral ( +5 neutral court)
KU -8 UC neutral ( -8 neutral court)
KU -29 TTU on road (-26 neutral court)
UC +3 TTU on road ( +6 neutral court)
KU -32 UC neutral (-32 neutral court)
KU +13 UH at home (+10 neutral court) KU -30 UH on road (-27 neutral court)
UC -5 UH at home ( -8 neutral court) UC -8 UH on road ( -5 neutral court)
KU +18 UC neutral (+18 neutral court) KU -22 UC neutral (-22 neutral court)
KU -4 ISU on road ( -1 neutral court)
UC -9 ISU at home (-12 neutral court)
KU +11 UC neutral (+11 neutral court)
KU +29 OSU at home (+26 neutral court) KU +24 OSU on road (+27 neutral court)
UC -4 OSU at home ( -7 neutral court) UC -4 OSU at home ( -7 neutral court)
KU +33 UC neutral (+33 neutral court) KU +34 UC neutral (+34 neutral court)
KU +22 KSU at home (+19 neutral court) KU -5 KSU on road ( -2 neutral court)
UC +2 KSU at home ( -1 neutral court) UC +2 KSU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +20 UC neutral (+20 neutral court) KU -1 UC neutral ( -1 neutral court)
KU +5 UC at home ( +2 neutral court)
KU +2 UC neutral ( +2 neutral court)
Ten of the comparisons favor Kansas, eleven favor Cincinnati (surprise!), and one is
a wash. The average is 1.41 points in favor of Kansas, with a scatter of 19.21 points.
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Simas Lukosius (guard)
most points Daniel Skillings (guard)
most rebounds Aziz Bandaogo (forward)
most assists Day Day Thomas (guard)
most steals Day Day Thomas (guard)
most blocks Aziz Bandaogo (forward)
most turnovers Simas Lukosius (guard)
most fouls Aziz Bandaogo (forward)
Forward Viktor Lakhin has an ankle injury, and his status for the game is uncertain.
He is sixth on the team in minutes per game played and fourth in points per game
scored. Guard CJ Fredrick has been dealing with a hamstring injury, and a timetable
for his return to action has not been established. He is seventh on the team in
minutes per game played and ninth in points per game scored.
I might take these with a grain of salt, as it appears that Greenfield has a
serious bug in their database, based on the fact that the Kansas player with the
most minutes is Charlie McCarthy with 37.00, the Kansas player with the most
points is Charlie McCarthy with 34.00, and the Kansas player with the most steals
is Charlie McCarthy with 2.00. "To err is humnan; to really screw up takes a
computer."
22-9 19-13
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Cincinnati
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Massey +7.00 74 67 73 # 9 # 5 # 55 # 51
Pomeroy +3.07 73 70 61.4 # 18 # 2 # 43 # 69
Greenfield -2.50 67 70 # 17 # 5 # 32 # 34
Dunkel +1.00 67 66 # 22 # 53
Vegas (via Dunkel) -2.50 68 70
Dolphin Predictive +3.21 72 69 61.2 # 19 # 4 # 29 # 27
Real Time +3.00 70 67 56.1 # 19 # 6 # 78 # 47
Seven Overtimes +8.00 76 68 73 # 10 # 10 # 47 # 68
DPPI +2.90 73.5 70.5 58.1 # 14 # 3 # 39 # 33
ESPN BPI +7.40 75.9 # 18 # 3 # 32 # 43
Whitlock +2.92 # 18 # 12 # 47 # 43
Colley Matrix +6.38 # 18 # 6 # 77 # 49
Donchess +5.60 75 70 67.2 # 15 # 5 # 43 # 55
Haslametrics +6.18 74 68 # 19 # 37
INCCStats +3.00 73 70 62 # 18 # 40
common opponents +1.41
NCAA NET # 18 # 43
LRMC # 19 # 10 # 33 # 54
Massey composite # 15 # 48
Pomeroy offense # 48 # 70
Pomeroy defense # 10 # 23
Pomeroy tempo # 94 #196
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +3.50 71.9 68.8 65.3
scatter 3.18 3.1 1.5 7.2
Here is Kansas' season:
CUMU.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB. PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- ----- -----
HOME #242 North Carolina Central 99 56 +21.16 +21.84
HOME #337 Manhattan 99 61 +29.58 +8.42
NEUT # 17 Kentucky 89 84 -0.15 +5.15
Div2 Chaminade 83 56
NEUT # 13 Marquette 59 73 -1.69 -12.31
NEUT # 5 Tennessee 69 60 -4.79 +13.79
HOME #320 Eastern Illinois 71 63 +26.65 -18.65
HOME # 2 Connecticut 69 65 -3.44 +7.44
HOME #208 UMKC 88 69 +19.99 -0.99
HOME #146 Missouri 73 64 +16.22 -7.22
AWAY # 87 Indiana 75 71 +4.35 -0.35
HOME # 91 Yale 75 60 +11.07 +3.93
NEUT #159 Wichita St. 86 67 +13.64 +5.36
HOME # 33 TCU 83 81 +5.83 -3.83
AWAY # 57 UCF 60 65 +1.57 -6.57
HOME # 40 Oklahoma 78 66 +6.36 +5.64
AWAY #110 Oklahoma St. 90 66 +6.73 +17.27
AWAY #141 West Virginia 85 91 +9.24 -15.24
HOME # 43 Cincinnati 74 69 +6.57 -1.57
AWAY # 12 Iowa St. 75 79 -5.28 +1.28
HOME #110 Oklahoma St. 83 54 +13.73 +15.27
HOME # 1 Houston 78 65 -4.43 +17.43
AWAY # 68 Kansas St. 70 75 +2.37 -7.37
HOME # 14 Baylor 64 61 +2.17 +0.83
AWAY # 25 Texas Tech 50 79 -2.08 -26.92
AWAY # 40 Oklahoma 67 57 -0.64 +10.64
HOME # 23 Texas 86 67 +4.59 +14.41
HOME # 16 BYU 68 76 +2.94 -10.94
AWAY # 14 Baylor 74 82 -4.83 -3.17
HOME # 68 Kansas St. 90 68 +9.37 +12.63
AWAY # 1 Houston 46 76 -11.43 -18.57
NEUT # 42 Cincinnati 73 70 +2.88 0.614 0.614
NEUT # 14 Baylor 74 75 -1.34 0.450 0.276
NEUT # 12 Iowa St. 68 70 -1.86 0.433 0.120
NEUT # 1 Houston 63 71 -7.96 0.227 0.027
Here is Cincinnati's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #192 Illinois Chicago 69 58 +16.21 -5.21
HOME #351 Detroit Mercy 93 61 +27.86 +4.14
HOME #148 Eastern Washington 85 73 +13.55 -1.55
HOME #185 Northern Kentucky 90 66 +15.99 +8.01
HOME #128 Georgia Tech 89 54 +11.65 +23.35
AWAY #283 Howard 86 81 +13.48 -8.48
HOME #240 Florida Gulf Coast 99 62 +17.09 +19.91
AWAY # 54 Xavier 79 84 -1.96 -3.04
HOME #172 Bryant 85 53 +15.92 +16.08
NEUT # 28 Dayton 68 82 -1.27 -12.73
HOME #216 Merrimack 65 49 +16.93 -0.93
HOME #213 Stetson 83 75 +16.69 -8.69
HOME #206 Evansville 76 58 +16.94 +1.06
AWAY # 16 BYU 71 60 -7.13 +18.13
HOME # 23 Texas 73 74 +1.57 -2.57
AWAY # 14 Baylor 59 62 -7.73 +4.73
HOME # 33 TCU 81 77 +2.67 +1.33
HOME # 40 Oklahoma 65 69 +3.30 -7.30
AWAY # 18 Kansas 69 74 -6.57 +1.57
HOME # 57 UCF 68 57 +5.40 +5.60
AWAY #141 West Virginia 65 69 +5.87 -9.87
AWAY # 25 Texas Tech 75 72 -5.08 +8.08
HOME # 1 Houston 62 67 -7.05 +2.05
HOME # 12 Iowa St. 59 68 -1.25 -7.75
AWAY # 57 UCF 76 74 -1.60 +3.60
HOME #110 Oklahoma St. 76 80 +10.48 -14.48
AWAY # 33 TCU 57 75 -4.33 -13.67
AWAY # 1 Houston 59 67 -14.05 +6.05
HOME # 68 Kansas St. 74 72 +6.23 -4.23
AWAY # 40 Oklahoma 71 74 -3.70 +0.70
HOME #141 West Virginia 92 56 +12.87 +23.13
NEUT #141 West Virginia 90 85 +9.37 -4.37
NEUT # 18 Kansas 70 73 -3.07 0.386
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8 months 1 week ago #32453
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Should be noted that Vegas has Cincinnati at -2.5
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