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predictions for Oklahoma State game
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9 months 3 weeks ago #32114
by asteroid
So, Iowa State was favored by 4 to 5 points, and Iowa State won by 4 points.
Sounds like everything went pretty much as expected, so no big deal, right?
The problem is, if you're trying to win the Big 12 conference, and you're
four games behind the front-runner (in the projected standings), you need to
win some of those projected losses and avoid losing any of the projected
wins. At the moment, the projection is for the champion to end the
conference season with a 14-4 record. If that projection transpires, then
Kansas can afford to lose only one more game. That's a very tall order.
Of course, the champion could wind up with a 13-5 record, which seems to be
the most popular among various pundits that cover the conference. That
allows Kansas to lose just two more games. I might offer the possibility
that the champion could end with a 12-6 record, which gives Kansas a bit
more breathing room, allowing for three more losses, but the Jayhawks are
currently projected to lose five more games. Four of those projected
losses, however, are by fewer than 5 points, which makes victory a distinct
possibility, but this team hasn't really demonstrated that much luck so far,
at least in conference games. Today's game is a projected victory; in fact,
it has the largest projected margin of any remaining game, so it's the
closest thing to a must win as any. Considering that the Jayhawks won by
24 in Stillwater just a couple weeks ago, and that today's game is in the
friendly confines of Allen Field House, one might get the impression that
it should be a cakewalk. That's what makes this game so dangerous. It
seems that this Jayhawk team has a tendency to play down to the perceived
level of the opponent. Do that, and you can lose. No conference opponent
can be taken lightly.
On paper, however, we're looking at a 15.7 point win. RealTime is the most
optimistic, expecting the Jayhawks to win by 25 points, while Massey is the
most pessimistic, picking Kansas by only 10 points. That's actually a bit
surprising, as Massey has Kansas ranked #6, whereas the others I track have
Kansas #10 or lower. So if Kansas is so highly ranked by Massey, why is
the projected margin so small? Inquiring minds want to know!
The good news is that Oklahoma State's very best game this season came at
home against Oral Roberts, when they played 11.5 points above expectation.
A duplicate performance simply isn't enough to overcome the projected
margin for today's game. Of course, that doesn't mean Oklahoma State
isn't capable of playing any better; it's just that they haven't done it
yet this season. But if they hit 50 percent of their treys, anything is
possible. Recall that the two most recent losses by Kansas involved
opponents who shot 57 and 47 percent from behind the arc, respectively.
The other thing worth noting is that Oklahoma State is among the most
consistent teams in the Big 12. It would take a so-called "two sigma"
event for the Cowboys to overcome the projected margin, which has only
a 2.5 percent chance of happening. But the software revisions that I
was forced to make this season when Sagarin dropped out of the ratings
business use a fixed value for the standard deviation, so the 91.4 percent
probability of winning is less than it would be if Oklahoma State's
consistency were taken into account.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 71.8 78.8 Opp Points/Game 69.5 68.9
Avg Score Margin +2.4 +9.8 Opp Effective FG % 49.4 46.9
Assists/Game 14.7 20.2 Off Rebounds/Gm 7.9 7.7
Total Rebounds/Gm 35.2 36.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 24.3 25.8
Effective FG % 52.6 55.6 Blocks/Game 2.8 4.3
Off Rebound % 25.9 26.5 Steals/Game 6.4 7.4
FTA/FGA 0.315 0.332 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.8 14.9
Turnover % 17.2 14.7
My Stats Comparison KU OSU
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.75 -0.07
inconsistency 10.28 7.89
trend -0.35 ± 0.43 -0.15 ± 0.31
mental toughness +0.01 ± 0.25 -0.29 ± 0.16
average total pts 147.74 141.15
Common Opponents
================
There are three common opponents, namely Iowa State, TCU, and West Virginia, plus
the head-to-head in Stillwater, giving us four scores to compare:
KU -4 ISU on road ( -1 neutral court)
OSU -24 ISU on road (-21 neutral court)
KU +23 OSU at home (+20 neutral court)
KU +2 TCU at home ( -1 neutral court)
OSU -5 TCU at home ( -8 neutral court)
KU +10 OSU at home ( +7 neutral court)
KU -6 WVU on road ( -3 neutral court)
OSU +4 WVU at home ( +1 neutral court)
KU -1 OSU at home ( -4 neutral court)
KU +24 OSU on road (+27 neutral court)
KUU +30 OSU at home (+27 neutral court)
These average to a 15.5 point advantage for Kansas, but with a scatter of 13.8 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Javon Small (guard)
most points Javon Small (guard)
most rebounds Brandon Garrison (center)
most assists Javon Small (guard)
most steals Quion Williams (guard)
most blocks Brandon Garrison (center)
most turnovers Javon Small (guard)
most fouls Brandon Garrison (center)
Reserve center Mike Marsh was sick for the previous game. His status for today's
game is uncertain.
I might take these with a grain of salt, as it appears that Greenfield has a
serious bug in their database, based on the fact that the Kansas player with the
most minutes is Charlie McCarthy with 37.00, the Kansas player with the most
points is Charlie McCarthy with 34.00, and the Kansas player with the most steals
is Charlie McCarthy with 2.00. "To err is humnan; to really screw up takes a
computer."
16-4 9-11
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma St.
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Massey +10.00 75 76 83 # 6 # 15 #106 # 79
Pomeroy +14.46 79 65 91.4 # 17 # 13 #119 #116
Greenfield +16.00 81 65 # 16 # 12 #105 # 88
Dunkel +19.50 79 60 # 12 #126
Vegas (via Dunkel) +16.00 81 65
Dolphin Predictive +13.06 78 65 87.3 # 21 # 16 #121 # 98
Real Time +25.00 90 65 93.6 # 10 # 16 #176 #213
Seven Overtimes +12.00 78 66 89 # 16 # 18 #125 # 65
DPPI +14.90 79 64.5 89.2 # 14 # 18 #106 # 90
ESPN BPI +16.50 92.6 # 17 # 21 #121 # 75
Whitlock +13.40 # 19 # 37 #128 # 84
Colley Matrix +18.79 # 12 # 28 #166 #100
Donchess +14.00 78 64 91.6 # 10 # 18 #112 # 95
Haslametrics +13.69 70 77 # 21 #111
INCCStats +13.00 79 66 90 # 11 #101
common opponents +15.50
NCAA NET # 12 # 138
LRMC # # # #
Massey composite # 10 #130
Pomeroy offense # 24 #170
Pomeroy defense # 25 # 87
Pomeroy tempo #113 #224
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average 15.36 78.9 66.5 89.7
scatter 3.51 4.6 4.9 3.2
Here is Kansas' season, with a projected record of 22-9:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #256 North Carolina Central 99 56 +22.28 +20.72
HOME #340 Manhattan 99 61 +30.01 +7.99
NEUT # 20 Kentucky 89 84 +1.26 +3.74
Div2 Chaminade 83 56
NEUT # 14 Marquette 59 73 -0.49 -13.51
NEUT # 4 Tennessee 69 60 -4.56 +13.56
HOME #313 Eastern Illinois 71 63 +25.78 -17.78
HOME # 3 Connecticut 69 65 -1.09 +5.09
HOME #270 UMKC 88 69 +23.14 -4.14
HOME #113 Missouri 73 64 +13.71 -4.71
AWAY # 92 Indiana 75 71 +5.29 -1.29
HOME # 87 Yale 75 60 +11.50 +3.50
NEUT #151 Wichita St. 86 67 +13.97 +5.03
HOME # 23 TCU 83 81 +5.07 -3.07
AWAY # 72 UCF 60 65 +3.20 -8.20
HOME # 28 Oklahoma 78 66 +5.70 +6.30
AWAY #119 Oklahoma St. 90 66 +7.46 +16.54
AWAY #135 West Virginia 85 91 +9.12 -15.12
HOME # 31 Cincinnati 74 69 +5.84 -0.84
AWAY # 12 Iowa St. 75 79 -4.41 +0.41
HOME #119 Oklahoma St. 79 65 +14.46 0.914
HOME # 1 Houston 64 69 -4.87 0.323
AWAY # 65 Kansas St. 71 69 +2.18 0.582
HOME # 16 Baylor 78 74 +3.43 0.627
AWAY # 26 Texas Tech 74 75 -1.62 0.439
AWAY # 28 Oklahoma 73 74 -1.30 0.451
HOME # 35 Texas 78 72 +6.42 0.728
HOME # 9 BYU 77 76 +1.34 0.550
AWAY # 16 Baylor 74 78 -3.57 0.368
HOME # 65 Kansas St. 75 66 +9.18 0.807
AWAY # 1 Houston 60 72 -11.87 0.131
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #229 Abilene Christian 59 64 +10.02 -15.02
HOME #183 Sam Houston St. 85 70 +7.84 +7.16
NEUT # 83 St. Bonaventure 64 66 -3.46 +1.46
NEUT #164 Notre Dame 64 66 +3.04 -5.04
HOME #341 New Orleans 96 68 +19.08 +8.92
HOME #346 Houston Christian 92 65 +20.66 +6.34
HOME # 15 Creighton 65 79 -7.26 -6.74
AWAY #108 Southern Illinois 68 70 -4.26 +2.26
NEUT #172 Tulsa 72 57 +4.01 +10.99
HOME #218 Oral Roberts 81 60 +9.46 +11.54
HOME #224 Wofford 76 70 +9.68 -3.68
HOME #322 South Carolina St. 84 70 +16.46 -2.46
HOME #292 Chicago St. 72 53 +13.01 +5.99
HOME # 16 Baylor 70 75 -7.11 +2.11
AWAY # 26 Texas Tech 73 90 -12.17 -4.83
AWAY # 12 Iowa St. 42 66 -15.31 -8.69
HOME # 17 Kansas 66 90 -7.46 -16.54
AWAY # 65 Kansas St. 66 70 -8.56 +4.56
HOME # 23 TCU 69 74 -6.15 +1.15
HOME #135 West Virginia 70 66 +4.86 -0.86
AWAY # 17 Kansas 65 79 -14.46 0.086
HOME # 65 Kansas St. 65 67 -1.56 0.441
AWAY # 1 Houston 52 73 -21.69 0.020
AWAY # 28 Oklahoma 63 76 -12.13 0.126
HOME # 9 BYU 68 77 -9.54 0.184
AWAY # 31 Cincinnati 63 75 -12.01 0.128
HOME # 28 Oklahoma 67 72 -5.13 0.314
HOME # 72 UCF 66 67 -0.91 0.466
AWAY # 35 Texas 65 76 -11.28 0.143
HOME # 26 Texas Tech 68 73 -5.17 0.312
AWAY # 9 BYU 64 81 -16.54 0.059
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9 months 3 weeks ago #32117
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But we have to go a combined 3-0 against Houston (Home and away) and TTech (@ Lubbock only ) or it gets really hard...and with 2 of those on the road that's gonna take some significant uptick in either our shooting accuracy or our rebounding to have a shot.
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