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10 months 3 weeks ago #31903
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This is the first significant retooling of my projections code in seven years.
I hope it's bug-free, but I'm using this last non-conference game as a test run.
Hopefully, things will be finalized for the conference projections.
There are some changes worth noting. First, Sagarin explicitly showed the
home advantage that he used, which was updated on a daily basis, and could
indeed be different for his various rating methods. With Sagarin no longer
doing college basketball ratings, I have to use a different source of information
for the home advantage. For the moment, I'm using a fixed 3.5 point value. Some
of you may recall that in past seasons, I've done a home court advantage computation
for the Big 12, which played a full, balanced, home and away schedule, and that
value tended to come out a little higher than the national average computed by
Sagarin. I've considered using the value from last season, but the Big 12 is
fundamentally different this season. A bigger conference means that we should be
closer to the national average. If anything, I may decide to decrease the home
advantage; Sagarin ended last season with a 3.14 point home court advantage for
his Predictor rating method.
Another change is that for now I'm using a fixed 10.58 point inconsistency factor
for all teams, even though we know some teams are more consistent than others.
To take advantage of that fact, one first needs to know how all teams in a
conference have performed in the non-conference portion of their schedules, and
with the new-look Big 12, I'm in the process of getting all that information in
place prior to the onset of conference play. But 10.58 points isn't too far off
from the truth.
The most obvious change that you'll notice is that I'm not only projecting the
margins for future games, but also the scores. For games that have been played,
the score is the actual score, and the error column shows the difference between
the actual and predicted margins. For games that have not been played, the score
is the predicted result, rounded to the nearest integer, while the predicted
margin continues to show fractional points, and the probability column is
populated in these cases, computed using a 10.58 point standard deviation, as
noted above.
I'm not sure whether to call today's game a rivalry game or not. It hasn't
really been played often enough for a true rivalry. Shocker fans may treat it
more as a rivalry game than Jayhawk fans, simply because the former may feel as
though they've been snubbed all these years. The last time the two teams
played was not by choice, but rather forced on them by the NCAA Tournament
bracket, and Wichita State came out on top in 2015, long before any of the
current players were on the team, so they may not have the sense of revenge as
some Jayhawk fans probably do.
The Shockers have played far more consistently than the Jayhawks, but both teams
have negative trends. Wichita State's value is somewhat smaller but more statistically
significant. The mental toughness value for Kansas is slightly positive, though not
statistically significant, while Wichita State's value is decidedly negative. They've
played only three games against the Top 100, losing all three and playing below
expectation in all three. Meanwhile, Kansas has generally played well against its
toughest competition.
On the other hand, the Jayhawks have been remarkably consistent these last five
games, playing all of them within 6 points of expectation, though the last four
have all been slightly below expectation.
Wichita State plays at a slightly faster pace than does Kansas. We'll see if
that plays into the Jayhawks' hands.
Hard to figure out Dunkel. He was such a pessimist for the Yale game, but
he's the most optimistic for today's game, giving Kansas a 22.5 point margin.
That largely offsets the pessimist Seven Overtimes, who has Kansas by a mere
2 points. The rest average to around 12 points.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats WSU KU Defensive Stats WSU KU
Points/Game 74.3 78.7 Opp Points/Game 71.1 66.0
Avg Score Margin +3.2 +12.7 Opp Effective FG % 46.1 44.8
Assists/Game 11.5 20.7 Off Rebounds/Gm 10.5 6.8
Total Rebounds/Gm 42.9 37.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 28.5 27.5
Effective FG % 48.7 56.9 Blocks/Game 4.7 5.1
Off Rebound % 30.7 24.4 Steals/Game 5.5 7.4
FTA/FGA 0.281 0.346 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.3 14.1
Turnover % 13.7 15.5
My Stats Comparison KU WSU
=================== ============= ============
performance -0.13 +0.92
inconsistency 11.03 8.80
trend -1.42 ± 1.00 -1.12 ± 0.80
mental toughness +0.05 ± 0.30 -0.85 ± 0.45
average total pts 144.73 145.36
Common Opponents
================
There is one common opponent, namely Missouri:
KU +9 MU at home ( +6 neutral court)
WSU -10 MU on road ( -7 neutral court)
KU +13 WSU neutral (+13 neutral court)
As you can tell, I'm using 3 points exactly for the home court advantage
here, down from 4 points in previous seasons.
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Colby Rogers (guard)
most points Colby Rogers (guard)
most rebounds Kenny Pohto (forward)
most assists Harlond Beverly (guard)
most steals Bijon Cortes (guard)
most blocks Quincy Ballard (center)
most turnovers Bijon Cortes (guard)
most fouls Ronny Degray III (forward)
11-1 8-4
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Wichita State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Massey +10.00 75 65 82 # 3 # 30 # 89 # 95
Pomeroy +12.90 79 66 88.9 # 16 # 61 #117 #157
Greenfield +13.00 79.5 66.5 # 18 # 17 #109 #107
Dunkel +22.50 82 60 # 5 # 88
Vegas (via Dunkel) +13.00 80 67
Dolphin Predictive +9.93 77 67 80.3 # 27 # 26 #126 #134
Real Time +15.00 84 69 84.4 # 3 # 27 # 69 #125
Seven Overtimes +2.00 74 72 69 # 98 # 71 # 74 # 69
DPPI +9.40 77 67 78.2 # 25 # 50 #104 #102
ESPN BPI +15.10 90.0 # 16 # 46 #108 #197
Whitlock +8.42 # 28 # 56 #116 #134
Colley Matrix +11.28 # 4 # 34 # 97 #117
NCAA NET # 13 #101
LRMC # # # #
common opponents +13.00
Massey composite # 8 #101
Pomeroy offense # 35 #174
Pomeroy defense # 6 # 87
Pomeroy tempo #110 # 92
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +11.96 78.6 66.6 81.8
scatter 4.66 3.2 3.2 7.1
Here is Kansas' season, with a projected record of 23-8:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #270 North Carolina Central 99 56 +24.57 +18.43
HOME #322 Manhattan 99 61 +29.28 +8.72
NEUT # 19 Kentucky 89 84 +0.46 +4.54
Div2 Chaminade 83 56
NEUT # 12 Marquette 59 73 -0.44 -13.56
NEUT # 6 Tennessee 69 60 -1.66 +10.66
HOME #326 Eastern Illinois 71 63 +28.44 -20.44
HOME # 5 Connecticut 69 65 +1.19 +2.81
HOME #269 UMKC 88 69 +24.61 -5.61
HOME # 92 Missouri 73 64 +13.44 -4.44
AWAY # 87 Indiana 75 71 +6.21 -2.21
HOME #114 Yale 75 60 +15.33 -0.33
NEUT #117 Wichita St. 79 66 +12.90 0.889
HOME # 38 TCU 80 73 +7.80 0.770
AWAY # 76 UCF 75 70 +5.09 0.685
HOME # 24 Oklahoma 75 69 +5.16 0.687
AWAY # 94 Oklahoma St. 74 67 +6.84 0.741
AWAY #130 West Virginia 76 66 +9.86 0.824
HOME # 40 Cincinnati 78 70 +7.98 0.775
AWAY # 13 Iowa St. 71 75 -3.87 0.357
HOME # 94 Oklahoma St. 77 63 +13.84 0.905
HOME # 1 Houston 65 68 -3.59 0.367
AWAY # 68 Kansas St. 72 68 +3.82 0.641
HOME # 18 Baylor 79 76 +3.79 0.640
AWAY # 42 Texas Tech 72 71 +1.23 0.546
AWAY # 24 Oklahoma 71 73 -1.84 0.431
HOME # 32 Texas 76 69 +6.55 0.732
HOME # 4 BYU 74 74 +0.24 0.509
AWAY # 18 Baylor 76 79 -3.21 0.381
HOME # 68 Kansas St. 76 65 +10.82 0.847
AWAY # 1 Houston 61 72 -10.59 0.158
Here is Wichita State's season to date:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #147 Lipscomb 76 59 +6.09 +10.91
HOME #159 Western Kentucky 71 61 +6.74 +3.26
NAIA Friends University 95 65
AWAY #304 Coastal Carolina 86 77 +8.14 +0.86
NEUT # 56 Liberty 66 83 -5.81 -11.19
NEUT #197 Saint Louis 88 69 +4.93 +14.07
HOME #206 Norfolk St. 80 67 +8.65 +4.35
HOME #100 Richmond 80 68 +1.87 +10.13
AWAY # 92 Missouri 72 82 -5.98 -4.02
NEUT #166 South Dakota St. 69 79 +3.29 -13.28
HOME #103 Southern Illinois 69 68 +2.21 -1.21
NEUT # 68 Kansas St. 60 69 -5.23 -3.77
NEUT # 16 Kansas 66 79 -12.90 0.111
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10 months 3 weeks ago #31905
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Thanks, asteroid!
Riding your coattails, here's a link to the pregame post in the pinned Schedule and Results thread.
www.rockchalk.com/index.php/forum/basket...-of-2023-12-22#31904
And as I note at the end of that post, the KU Women host WVU at noon today (ESPN+) in their Big 12 opener!
Good luck to both our teams today!
ROCK CHALK!
Riding your coattails, here's a link to the pregame post in the pinned Schedule and Results thread.
www.rockchalk.com/index.php/forum/basket...-of-2023-12-22#31904
And as I note at the end of that post, the KU Women host WVU at noon today (ESPN+) in their Big 12 opener!
Good luck to both our teams today!
ROCK CHALK!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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