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11 months 3 weeks ago #31757
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Was Eastern Illinois a trap game? Sandwiched between two marquee games
against Tennessee and Connecticut, it had all the characteristics of a
trap game, including the dismal performance by the Jayhawks. But Self
doesn't like that description, because it doesn't give the Panthers enough
credit. But what else could it have been? Dunkel had the Jayhawks
favored by as much as 44 points, yet the actual margin was only 1 point
with 5 minutes left in the game. Just one of those statistical
fluctuations? "You play five games worse than you are; you play five
games better than you are; the rest of the games are who you are."
That's a layman's way of saying that you'll play 16 percent of your
games more than one standard deviation below the average, another 16
percent more than one standard deviation above the average, and the
remaining 68 percent within one standard deviation of the average.
The determination of that standard deviation is subject to measurement
noise, but a look at games spanning 15 years suggests a value very close
to 10 points. Kansas has already played two games more than one standard
deviation below the average, admittedly based on Sagarin's out-of-date
ratings, though that average will fluctuate as more game results get
included in the statistics. We're just lucky that one of them was against
an opponent where the Jayhawks could afford to play that poorly and still
win the game. It has happened repeatedly in the past that Kansas seems to
play down to the level of the competition, but after the first two games of
this season, I was hoping that we finally had a team that wouldn't do that.
Tuesday's game has me rethinking that conclusion. The Jayhawks got
outrebounded, for Pete's sake!
Never take a win against an opponent for granted. You'll come out flat
and play horribly. I'm probably guilty of that with my opening "Ho hum;
another cupcake." All right, blame the shoddy performance on me.
Here's another head-scratcher: UConn has played Indiana and Texas, yet
Pomeory has the Huskies with the #349 strength of schedule. Recall that
that's out of 362 teams. Okay, so Indiana is only #72 in Pomeroy's
rankings, but UConn is Indiana's only loss of the season. And Texas is
only #31 in Pomeroy's ranking, but again UConn is Texas' only loss of
the season. So, maybe the Huskies haven't really been tested yet.
We'll find out Real Soon Now.
The common opponent comparison is the most favorable for Kansas, with
the Jayhawks favored by 12 points. After Tuesday's performance, that
seems optimistic. Real Time, with it's enormous 8 point home court
advantage, is next in line, favoring Kansas by 9. Dunkel still likes
Kansas and has them by 7, with the BPI close behind. Seven Overtimes
is at the opposite extreme, picking UConn by 4. Both Pomeroy and the
DPPI predict overtime, with margins of just a tenth of a point (and of
opposite sign). The average favors Kansas by 3.5 points, with a game
in the 70s.
It's worth noting that Massey shows not only the strength of schedule
already played, but also the strength of remaining schedule. Kansas
has the most difficult remaining schedule according to Massey.
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Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats Conn KU Defensive Stats Conn KU
Points/Game 88.7 81.0 Opp Points/Game 60.6 66.2
Avg Score Margin +28.1 +14.8 Opp Effective FG % 43.6 42.3
Assists/Game 19.1 23.3 Off Rebounds/Gm 12.0 7.0
Total Rebounds/Gm 44.0 40.0 Def Rebounds/Gm 27.3 30.2
Effective FG % 57.8 59.0 Blocks/Game 6.0 5.3
Off Rebound % 42.6 25.3 Steals/Game 7.6 6.8
FTA/FGA 0.381 0.343 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.6 13.8
Turnover % 12.6 16.7
Take most of these numbers with a grain of salt, as they are based on Sagarin's
final ratings from last season.
My Stats Comparison KU Conn
=================== ============= ============
performance -0.12 +4.11
inconsistency 17.45 9.72
trend -6.96 ± 3.11 -2.75 ± 1.59
mental toughness +0.14 ± 0.58 +0.38 ± 0.25
average total pts 147.17 149.29
Common Opponents
================
There is one common opponent, namely Manhattan, which each team played at home.
KU +38 Man at home (+34 neutral court)
UC +30 Man at home (+26 neutral court)
KU +12 UC at home ( +8 neutral court)
Somehow, this comparison just doens't feel right. Certainly it's out of line
with the other prognistications.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Tristen Newton (guard)
most points Cam Spencer (guard)
most rebounds Tristen Newton (guard)
most assists Tristen Newton (guard)
most steals Stephon Castle (guard)
most blocks Donovan Clingan (center)
most turnovers Tristen Newton (guard)
most fouls Cam Spencer (guard)
UConn's leading thief, Stephon Castle, is out with a knee injury. But the
Huskies have a Klingon, er Clingan, in their line-up. Qapla'!
6-1 7-0
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Connecticut
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall # # # #
Sagarin Predictor # # # #
Sagarin Golden Mean # # # #
Sagarin Recent Games # # # #
Sagarin Eigenvector
Massey +2.00 72 70 56 # 8 # 31 # 4 #176
Pomeroy +0.09 75 75 # 7 # 83 # 3 #349
Greenfield +2.50 75.5 73 # 13 # 7 # 6 # 60
Dunkel +7.00 75 68 60.8 # 6 # 1
Vegas (via Dunkel) +3.00 75.5 72.5
Dolphin Predictive +3.73 76 72 62.2 # 11 # 6 # 8 #106
Real Time +9.00 84 75 71.9 # 3 # 82 # 14 #162
Seven Overtimes -4.00 72 76 40 #102 # 74 # 14 #285
DPPI -0.10 74 74 49.8 # 18 # 32 # 14 #302
ESPN BPI +6.50 72.4 # 4 # 46 # 8 #275
Whitlock # # # #
Colley Matrix +0.98 # 29 # 7 # 76 #200
NCAA NET # #
LRMC # # # #
common opponents +12.00
Massey composite # 6 # 4
Pomeroy offense # 35 # 6
Pomeroy defense # 4 # 10
Pomeroy tempo # 39 #216
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +3.56 75.4 72.8 59.0
scatter 4.42 3.5 2.6 11.7
Here is Kansas' season, with predicted margins based on last season's final
Sagarin ratings:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #220 NC Central 99 56 +23.32 +19.68
HOME #290 Manhattan 99 61 +27.77 +10.23
NEUT # 22 Kentucky 89 84 +3.83 +1.17
Div2 Chaminade 83 56
NEUT # 14 Marquette 59 73 +2.55 -16.55
NEUT # 5 Tennessee 69 60 -1.27 +10.27
HOME #350 Eastern Illinois 71 63 +33.50 -25.50
HOME # 3 Connecticut +0.64 0.523
HOME #305 Kansas City(UMKC) +28.56 0.995
HOME # 56 Missouri +10.31 0.826
AWAY # 16 Indiana -0.09 0.497
HOME # 77 Yale +12.59 0.874
NEUT # 98 Wichita State +11.92 0.861
HOME # 19 TCU +6.52 0.723
AWAY # 61 Central Florida(UCF) +4.85 0.670
HOME # 57 Oklahoma +10.42 0.828
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma State +2.57 0.592
AWAY # 24 West Virginia +0.85 0.531
HOME # 46 Cincinnati +9.22 0.799
AWAY # 30 Iowa State +1.24 0.545
HOME # 44 Oklahoma State +8.85 0.789
HOME # 2 Houston +0.14 0.505
AWAY # 26 Kansas State +0.93 0.534
HOME # 12 Baylor +4.47 0.658
AWAY # 37 Texas Tech +2.20 0.579
AWAY # 57 Oklahoma +4.14 0.647
HOME # 6 Texas +2.58 0.593
HOME # 67 BYU +11.82 0.859
AWAY # 12 Baylor -1.81 0.435
HOME # 26 Kansas State +7.21 0.744
AWAY # 2 Houston -6.14 0.288
Here is Connecticut's season to date, with rankings and predictions based on
Sagarin's final ratings from last season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #234 Northern Arizona 95 52 +27.03 +15.97
HOME #336 Stonehill 107 67 +34.46 +5.54
HOME #360 MVSU(Miss. Valley St.) 87 53 +38.86 -4.86
NEUT # 16 Indiana 77 57 +5.55 +14.45
NEUT # 6 Texas 81 71 +1.94 +8.06
HOME #290 Manhattan 90 60 +30.27 -0.27
HOME #286 New Hampshire 84 64 +30.10 -10.10
AWAY # 7 Kansas -0.64 0.482
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11 months 3 weeks ago #31759
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Thanks, asteroid!
Comments --
I certainly hope this is at least a "who you are" game and not a below average one for our guys. Certainly all the "head" stuff -- top 5 opponent, The Phog, a poor performance (by KU standards) in the previous game, etc. -- favors KU in this.
Given the KU tendency to turn the ball over way too many times (KenPom #221, 18.6% of our possessions, worse than the 17.9% D1 average ), it is worth noting that Stephon Castle, UConn’s touted freshman guard and projected lottery pick, will not play today per HC Dan Hurley. UConn's leading thief at 2.0 steals per game has only played in 2 of the 7 games due to a knee injury that is improving, but apparently not in time for today. FWIW he also averaged 14.5 ppg those two games.
Of course it is also worth noting that in the 5 games he has missed UConn continued its streak and set the new NCAA record for beating nonconference opponents by double digits in 24 straight games., and the Huskies are looking to make KU #25.
Cut down on turnovers and get some bloody rebounds and KU wins. Lose the rebound battle to the Huskies (who are #6 in KenPom for getting Offensive Rebounds at 42.1%) and it's not gonna be a good night for the Crimson & Blue.
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I certainly hope this is at least a "who you are" game and not a below average one for our guys. Certainly all the "head" stuff -- top 5 opponent, The Phog, a poor performance (by KU standards) in the previous game, etc. -- favors KU in this.
Given the KU tendency to turn the ball over way too many times (KenPom #221, 18.6% of our possessions, worse than the 17.9% D1 average ), it is worth noting that Stephon Castle, UConn’s touted freshman guard and projected lottery pick, will not play today per HC Dan Hurley. UConn's leading thief at 2.0 steals per game has only played in 2 of the 7 games due to a knee injury that is improving, but apparently not in time for today. FWIW he also averaged 14.5 ppg those two games.
Of course it is also worth noting that in the 5 games he has missed UConn continued its streak and set the new NCAA record for beating nonconference opponents by double digits in 24 straight games., and the Huskies are looking to make KU #25.
Cut down on turnovers and get some bloody rebounds and KU wins. Lose the rebound battle to the Huskies (who are #6 in KenPom for getting Offensive Rebounds at 42.1%) and it's not gonna be a good night for the Crimson & Blue.
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11 months 3 weeks ago #31760
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11 months 3 weeks ago #31762
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
Just win, indeed.
To further punctuate what Asteroid, HawkE, and Corpus (in his newsletter) have underscored as the keys to tonight's game, to me it comes down to:
* Sticky defense. Particularly against the 3s, but also on-man vs. the dribble drive.
* Rebounding. Covered fully by others, but we HAVE to do better - especially on the defensive end.
* Turnovers. Cut way down on the careless passes! So many of the latter already this year...
* Harris and the bench bringing some O. Harris was horribly passive against Eastern Illinois. (Not only passing up 3s, but not trying to take the ball HARD and HIGH to the rim - especially when we started to get in trouble late) We need UK Harris tonite, not "I'm only going to distribute" Harris. And we need one other player to step up - alongside Hunt, Kev, and hopefully Juan - and hit some crucial buckets.
Overall, my gut and head say this game is coming too early in the schedule, and favors UConn - who seem further along and more cohesive as a unit than KU. It's a very different game than if it were held in Feb-March, when Self will have had more time to coach up all the newbies and bench guys.
That being said, it's in Allen, Coach Lasso will be in attendance ("Believe!"), the Ghosts of the Barn may be a factor, and the Sixth Man will be a big-time factor.
Here's hoping the good guys win and we don't see a game like UK at KU from 2 years ago.
Believe!
To further punctuate what Asteroid, HawkE, and Corpus (in his newsletter) have underscored as the keys to tonight's game, to me it comes down to:
* Sticky defense. Particularly against the 3s, but also on-man vs. the dribble drive.
* Rebounding. Covered fully by others, but we HAVE to do better - especially on the defensive end.
* Turnovers. Cut way down on the careless passes! So many of the latter already this year...
* Harris and the bench bringing some O. Harris was horribly passive against Eastern Illinois. (Not only passing up 3s, but not trying to take the ball HARD and HIGH to the rim - especially when we started to get in trouble late) We need UK Harris tonite, not "I'm only going to distribute" Harris. And we need one other player to step up - alongside Hunt, Kev, and hopefully Juan - and hit some crucial buckets.
Overall, my gut and head say this game is coming too early in the schedule, and favors UConn - who seem further along and more cohesive as a unit than KU. It's a very different game than if it were held in Feb-March, when Self will have had more time to coach up all the newbies and bench guys.
That being said, it's in Allen, Coach Lasso will be in attendance ("Believe!"), the Ghosts of the Barn may be a factor, and the Sixth Man will be a big-time factor.
Here's hoping the good guys win and we don't see a game like UK at KU from 2 years ago.
Believe!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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