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1 year 1 week ago #31648
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Sagarin is still AWOL. Is he waiting for football season to end? Is he waiting
for the teams to become well-connected so that the ratings actually mean something?
Inquiring minds want to know! With USA Today apparently no longer purchasing that
content from him, I guess his motivation has changed, hence an explanation for why
this season is being handled differently from previous seasons, but then one has to
ask why he's doing football? At least Colley is now on board with his matrix.
I also have to question the "confidence" percentage that Seven Overtimes computes.
Is that simply the probability of victory that others compute? If so, then why
would he pick Kentucky to win by 7 but have only a 45 percent chance of winning?
I suspect that Seven Overtimes does not use any bias from the prior season for
these early season games, as his ratings are pretty wonky. His top team? East
Carolina. Fortunately, Seven Overtimes is the only prognosticator that I follow
who is picking Kentucky in this game, oddly by the exact opposite score than
Greenfield has.
Colley's ratings appear to be more based on win-loss record than on scoring
differental. His top team? Oregon, apparently by virtue of their win over
Georgia. Comparing the first several teams with 2-0 records, his rankings are
based on who has the best strength of schedule. Given that Kansas' two wins
are over cupcakes, it's no surprise that he has the Jayhawks ranked way down at
#42, with the #280 strength of schedule.
Today, things get interesting. Kentucky is a top-tier opponent, but their
roster is incomplete due to injury and eligibility issues, particularly at the
forward position, so this Wildcat team is unlikely to look the same later in
the season.
I think the key for Kansas this season is to avoid foul trouble and injuries.
The bench is short, though Parker Braun seems to be a better back-up for Hunter
Dickinson than many expected before the season started. Three point shooting
was a concern after the two exhibition games, but that concern was erased by
the North Carolina Central game. That's good news, because the Jayhawks need
a credible outside threat to minimize the amount of double-teaming that
Dickinson is going to get. His passing ability means that he can find that
open person better than other post players, but that open person needs to be
able to knock down the shot.
With the vacated wins, the all-time wins leader has reverted to Kentucky.
Here's an opportunity to chip away at that difference. With the SEC Challenge
now defunct, it may be a while before Kansas and Kentucky go head-to-head
again. If the Champions Classic gets extended beyond 2025, and assuming no
change in the participants, it could be three years before these two teams meet
again. Of course, they could always schedule a home and home in the regular
season, but with the new-look Big 12 moving to a 20-game conference schedule,
and commitments to play teams like North Carolina and Missouri in coming
seasons, not to mention the exempt tournaments like the Battle 4 Atlantis,
there won't be many opportunities to schedule Kentucky deliberately. There
could be the chance matchup in one of those exempt tournaments, plus postseason
action, but the nearly yearly meetings of these past several seasons are likely
going to be a thing of the past.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats UK KU Defensive Stats UK KU
Points/Game 83.5 99.0 Opp Points/Game 53.5 58.5
Avg Score Margin +30.0 +40.5 Opp Effective FG % 43.3 40.0
Assists/Game 14.5 29.5 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.0 7.0
Total Rebounds/Gm 41.5 41.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 28.5 32.5
Effective FG % 54.9 72.0 Blocks/Game 3.0 6.0
Off Rebound % 25.0 30.4 Steals/Game 10.5 5.5
FTA/FGA 0.220 0.211 Personal Fouls/Gm 10.5 14.0
Turnover % 5.8 14.9
My Stats Comparison KU UK
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performance . .
inconsistency . .
trend . .
mental toughness . .
average total pts 157.5 137.0
Common Opponents
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There are no common opponents.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Tre Mitchell (forward)
most points Antonio Reeves (guard)
most rebounds Tre Mitchell (forward)
most assists Rob Dillingham (guard)
most steals Reed Sheppard (guard)
most blocks Reed Sheppard (gaurd)
most turnovers Justin Edwards (guard)
most fouls Jordan Burks (guard)
Guard Adou Thiero has been out with symptoms of a concussion, but is expected to
play. Guard Grant Barbyshire hasn't played yet for an undisclosed issue.
Forward Zvonimir Ivisic is still waiting for an eligibility waiver. Forward
Aaron Bradshaw is out with a fractured foot. Forward Ugonna Onyenso is out
with an ankle injury.
2-0 2-0
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kentucky
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall # # # #
Sagarin Predictor # # # #
Sagarin Golden Mean # # # #
Sagarin Recent Games # # # #
Sagarin Eigenvector
Massey +4.00 72 68 64 # 4 #321 # 19 #241
Pomeroy +4.43 77 72.5 # 3 #336 # 14 #306
Greenfield +7.00 77 70 # 2 #208 # 14 #243
Dunkel +2.50 72 70 # 7 # 18
Vegas (via Dunkel) +7.00 77.5 70.5
Dolphin Predictive # # # #
Real Time # # # #
Seven Overtimes -7.00 70 77 55 # 34 #317 # 93 #144
DPPI +3.40 75 71.5 66.4 # # # #
ESPN BPI +7.10 74.8 # 1 # # 32 #
Whitlock # # # #
Colley Matrix +2.72 # 42 #280 # 98 #354
NCAA NET # #
LRMC # # # #
common opponents
Massey composite # 1 # 15
Pomeroy offense # 8 # 12
Pomeroy defense # 4 # 27
Pomeroy tempo # 58 #283
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +3.46 74.4 71.4 65.1
scatter 4.34 3.0 2.9 8.1
Here is Kansas' season, with predicted margins based on last season's final
Sagarin ratings. Normally you could just add those probabilities of victory to
compute the expected number of wins, but last season's ratings aren't all that
useful, and I also have all possible opponents listed for the Maui Invitational,
which would skew the result upward by about 2 wins. What a loaded field this year.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #220 NC Central 99 56 +23.32 +19.68
HOME #290 Manhattan 99 61 +27.77 +10.23
NEUT # 22 Kentucky +3.83 0.636
Div2 Chaminade Game 1
NEUT # 4 UCLA Game 2 -1.38 0.450
NEUT # 14 Marquette Game 2 +2.55 0.592
NEUT # 8 Gonzaga Game 3 +0.00 0.500
NEUT # 10 Purdue Game 3 +0.69 0.525
NEUT # 95 Syracuse Game 3 +11.77 0.858
NEUT # 5 Tennessee Game 3 -1.27 0.454
HOME #350 Eastern Illinois +33.50 0.999
HOME # 3 Connecticut +0.64 0.523
HOME #305 Kansas City(UMKC) +28.56 0.995
HOME # 56 Missouri +10.31 0.826
AWAY # 16 Indiana -0.09 0.497
HOME # 77 Yale +12.59 0.874
NEUT # 98 Wichita State +11.92 0.861
HOME # 19 TCU +6.52 0.723
AWAY # 61 Central Florida(UCF) +4.85 0.670
HOME # 57 Oklahoma +10.42 0.828
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma State +2.57 0.592
AWAY # 24 West Virginia +0.85 0.531
HOME # 46 Cincinnati +9.22 0.799
AWAY # 30 Iowa State +1.24 0.545
HOME # 44 Oklahoma State +8.85 0.789
HOME # 2 Houston +0.14 0.505
AWAY # 26 Kansas State +0.93 0.534
HOME # 12 Baylor +4.47 0.658
AWAY # 37 Texas Tech +2.20 0.579
AWAY # 57 Oklahoma +4.14 0.647
HOME # 6 Texas +2.58 0.593
HOME # 67 BYU +11.82 0.859
AWAY # 12 Baylor -1.81 0.435
HOME # 26 Kansas State +7.21 0.744
AWAY # 2 Houston -6.14 0.288
Here is Kentucky's season to date:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #159 New Mexico State 86 46 +16.11 +23.89
HOME #331 Texas A&M-Commerce 81 61 +26.97 -6.97
NEUT # 7 Kansas -3.83 0.364
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1 year 1 week ago #31650
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"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
As much as I dislike the vacated wins situation (particularly when the Squid is the beneficiary....unbelievable!), I DO like the idea of passing UK TWICE. It's bad enough for their fans to lose that standing to us once, but there's a very real possibility that they'll lose it AGAIN in short order. That's gotta sting.
Hoping that we put a smackdown on them tonight to re-start the reclamation of #1 all-time wins by sending a message.
Hoping that we put a smackdown on them tonight to re-start the reclamation of #1 all-time wins by sending a message.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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