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1 year 9 months ago #30407
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Areas where Oklahoma State stands out: they have Pomeroy's #5 ranked defense,
they are the most consistent team in the Big 12 by a wide margin, and they have
the most positive trend of any Big 12 team. Add to that the historical
difficulty that Kansas has playing in Stillwater. But the Cowboys do not score
a lot. Their offense is anemic, second only to the Sooners, and the Kansas
defense is no slouch, ranking #11 per Poneroy. So the expectation is for a
low-scoring affair. Sagarin has it at 134 total points, or the high 60s for
both teams.
The prognosticators have it as a nail-biter. Fourteen out of eighteen are
favoring Kansas, while three are favoring Oklahoma State, with Seven Overtimes
calling it a 69 to 69 wash. The most pessimistic prediction comes from the
common opponents comparison, where the lopsided home loss to TCU and the poor
performance in Ames are hurting Kansas relative to Oklahoma State. The
comparison favors the Cowboys by 1.6 points. Don Davis' DPPI also favors
the Cowboys by 1.0, and ESPN's BPI has it the same way. Give the BPI its due
respect. It is just a tenth of a point per game behind Vegas in this season's
race for best prognosticator. But Dunkel (worst of the prognosticators) is
picking Kansas by 10.5 points, and even Real Time has Kansas by a point despite
its enormous home court advantage. The average favors Kansas by almost 1.7
points, but with a 2.8 point scatter.
Although their leading assist guy and leading ball thief has been missing
recent games with a wrist injury, Oklahoma State has played four out of five
games above expectation. (Maybe that's because Anderson is also turnover and
foul prone.) But the last time a key player was not expected to play for an
opponent, he played after all. Perhaps it's all part of the strategy, to keep
the opposing team guessing.
The Big 12 race has tightened considerably thanks to Texas' unexpected loss in
Lubbock. Kansas needs to win in Stillwater to keep pace with Baylor.
Just a heads-up: there may be a hiatus in game prediction summaries, as I've
been alerted to a likely death in the family soon.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 69.2 76.2 Opp Points/Game 63.4 67.9
Avg Score Margin +5.8 +8.2 Opp Effective FG % 43.8 46.7
Assists/Game 13.0 16.9 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.6 9.2
Total Rebounds/Gm 37.0 36.8 Def Rebounds/Gm 25.2 25.2
Effective FG % 50.3 52.6 Blocks/Game 5.3 4.1
Off Rebound % 28.6 28.7 Steals/Game 6.0 9.0
FTA/FGA 0.321 0.300 Personal Fouls/Gm 17.3 16.8
Turnover % 18.0 15.5
My Stats Comparison KU OSU
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performance +0.59 +0.20
inconsistency 11.79 7.82
trend +0.07 ± 0.33 +0.39 ± 0.21
mental toughness +0.13 ± 0.28 -0.10 ± 0.17
average total pts 144.08 132.56
Common Opponents
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There are eight common opponents, all in conference, one of which Oklahoma State has
played twice (Texas), one of which Kansas has played twice (Kansas State), and two
of which both have played twice (Oklahoma, Iowa State), in which case I'll use only
the home-home and road-road permutations, plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving
us thirteen scores to compare:
KU +14 WVU on road (+18 neutral court)
OSU +7 WVU at home ( +3 neutral court)
KU +11 OSU on road (+15 neutral court)
KU +8 UT at home ( +4 neutral court) KU +8 UT at home ( +4 neutral court)
OSU -10 UT at home (-14 neutral court) OSU -14 UT on road (-10 neutral court)
KU +14 OSU on road (+18 neutral court) KU +10 OSU on road (+14 neutral court)
KU -1 KSU on road ( +3 neutral court) KU +12 KSU at home ( +8 neutral court)
OSU -8 KSU on road ( -4 neutral court) OSU -8 KSU on road ( -4 neutral court)
KU +3 OSU on road ( +7 neutral court) KU +8 OSU on road (+12 neutral court)
KU -6 BU on road ( -2 neutral court)
OSU -16 BU on road (-12 neutral court)
KU +6 OSU on road (+10 neutral court)
KU +4 OU at home ( 0 neutral court) KU +23 OU on road (+27 neutral court)
OSU +16 OU at home (+12 neutral court) OSU +10 OU on road (+14 neutral court)
KU -16 OSU on road (-12 neutral court) KU +9 OSU on road (+13 neutral court)
KU +2 ISU at home ( -2 neutral court) KU -15 ISU on road (-11 neutral court)
OSU +2 ISU at home ( -2 neutral court) OSU +8 ISU on road (+12 neutral court)
KU -4 OSU on road ( 0 neutral court) KU -27 OSU on road (-23 neutral court)
KU -23 TCU at home (-27 neutral court)
OSU +6 TCU at home ( +2 neutral court)
KU -33 OSU on road (-29 neutral court)
KU +3 TTU on road ( +7 neutral court)
OSU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +4 OSU on road ( +8 neutral court)
KU +2 OSU at home ( -2 neutral court)
KU -6 OSU on road ( -2 neutral court)
Eight of the comparisons favor Kansas, and only five favor Oklahoma State, but
those Iowa State (road) and TCU comparisons overwhelm the ones that favor the
Jayhawks, leading to an average of -1.62 points, with a scatter of 15.04 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Bryce Thompson (guard)
most points Kalib Boone (forward)
most rebounds Moussa Cisse (forward)
most assists Avery Anderson III (guard)
most steals Avery Anderson III (guard)
most blocks Moussa Cisse (forward)
most turnovers Avery Anderson III (guard)
most fouls Avery Anderson III (guard)
Guard Avery Anderson has a wrist injury. A date for his return has not been set.
20-5 16-9
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +0.84 67 67 53 # 6 # 1 # 22 # 17
Sagarin Predictor +0.52 67 67 52.0 # 10 # 1 # 27 # 17
Sagarin Golden Mean +1.94 68 66 # 4 # 1 # 30 # 17
Sagarin Recent Games +0.61 67 67 # 5 # 1 # 20 # 17
Sagarin Eigenvector +5.26 70 64 69
Massey +3.00 70 67 57 # 4 # 1 # 29 # 12
Pomeroy +0.25 68 67 # 9 # 1 # 27 # 11
Greenfield +1.50 70 68.5 52.8 # 9 # 1 # 28 # 12
Dunkel +10.50 72 62 # 5 # 41
Vegas (via Dunkel) +2.00 70 68
Dolphin Predictive +0.95 69 68 53.4 # 8 # 1 # 22 # 9
Real Time +1.00 75 74 50.7 # 3 # 2 # 51 # 21
Seven Overtimes 0.00 69 69 64 # 15 # 1 # 45 # 19
DPPI -1.10 69 70 46.7 # 6 # 2 # 28 # 11
ESPN BPI -1.00 46.3 # 11 # 1 # 25 # 11
Whitlock +0.52 # 8 # 1 # 30 # 7
Colley Matrix +4.50 # 2 # 1 # 41 # 14
NCAA NET # 7 # 29
LRMC # # # #
common opponents -1.62
Massey composite # 5 # 25
Pomeroy offense # 23 #120
Pomeroy defense # 11 # 5
Pomeroy tempo # 65 #154
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +1.65 69.4 67.5 54.5
scatter 2.84 2.2 2.8 7.2
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is a 23-8
record:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #322 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 89 64 +28.91 -3.91
HOME #227 North Dakota State 82 59 +22.95 +0.05
NEUT # 31 Duke 69 64 +3.95 +1.05
HOME #134 Southern Utah 82 76 +17.69 -11.69
NEUT # 44 NC State 80 74 +5.23 +0.77
NEUT # 56 Wisconsin 69 68 +6.94 -5.94
NEUT # 3 Tennessee 50 64 -2.41 -11.59
HOME #301 Texas Southern 87 55 +27.54 +4.46
HOME # 49 Seton Hall 91 65 +9.18 +16.82
AWAY # 52 Missouri 95 67 +3.41 +24.59
HOME # 15 Indiana 84 62 +4.28 +17.72
HOME #176 Harvard 68 54 +19.95 -5.95
HOME # 27 Oklahoma State 69 67 +6.65 -4.65
AWAY # 36 Texas Tech 75 72 +1.59 +1.41
AWAY # 30 West Virginia 76 62 +0.86 +13.14
HOME # 60 Oklahoma 79 75 +10.36 -6.36
HOME # 23 Iowa State 62 60 +5.91 -3.91
AWAY # 32 Kansas State 82 83 +0.94 -1.94
HOME # 21 TCU 60 83 +5.66 -28.66
AWAY # 9 Baylor 69 75 -3.32 -2.68
AWAY # 34 Kentucky 77 68 +1.36 +7.64
HOME # 32 Kansas State 90 78 +7.08 +4.92
AWAY # 23 Iowa State 53 68 -0.23 -14.77
HOME # 7 Texas 88 80 +2.62 +5.38
AWAY # 60 Oklahoma 78 55 +4.22 +18.78
AWAY # 27 Oklahoma State +0.51 0.520
HOME # 9 Baylor +2.82 0.599
AWAY # 21 TCU -0.48 0.485
HOME # 30 West Virginia +7.00 0.715
HOME # 36 Texas Tech +7.73 0.742
AWAY # 7 Texas -3.52 0.377
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #250 UT Arlington 77 66 +21.01 -10.01
HOME #127 Southern Illinois 60 61 +13.81 -14.81
AWAY #266 Oakland-Mich. 91 62 +15.94 +13.06
NEUT # 58 Central Florida(UCF) 56 60 +3.55 -7.55
NEUT #126 DePaul 82 78 +10.71 -6.71
HOME #246 Tulsa 82 56 +20.87 +5.13
HOME #278 Prairie View A&M 78 53 +22.92 +2.08
AWAY # 5 Connecticut 64 74 -7.76 -2.24
HOME # 90 Sam Houston State 65 51 +10.17 +3.83
NEUT # 53 Virginia Tech 65 70 +2.96 -7.96
AWAY #105 Wichita State 59 49 +5.54 +4.46
HOME #224 Texas A&M-CorpusChristi 81 58 +19.21 +3.79
AWAY # 10 Kansas 67 69 -6.65 +4.65
HOME # 30 West Virginia 67 60 +3.42 +3.58
HOME # 7 Texas 46 56 -0.96 -9.04
AWAY # 32 Kansas State 57 65 -2.64 -5.36
AWAY # 9 Baylor 58 74 -6.90 -9.10
HOME # 60 Oklahoma 72 56 +6.78 +9.22
HOME # 23 Iowa State 61 59 +2.33 -0.33
AWAY # 7 Texas 75 89 -7.10 -6.90
HOME # 95 Mississippi 82 60 +10.82 +11.18
AWAY # 60 Oklahoma 71 61 +0.64 +9.36
HOME # 21 TCU 79 73 +2.08 +3.92
HOME # 36 Texas Tech 71 68 +4.15 -1.15
AWAY # 23 Iowa State 64 56 -3.81 +11.81
HOME # 10 Kansas -0.51 0.480
AWAY # 21 TCU -4.06 0.356
AWAY # 30 West Virginia -2.72 0.399
HOME # 32 Kansas State +3.50 0.659
HOME # 9 Baylor -0.76 0.468
AWAY # 36 Texas Tech -1.99 0.422
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1 year 9 months ago #30408
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“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
Our thoughts are with you Asteroid.
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
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