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8 years 9 months ago #2308 by AZhawk87
I said this last year and got taken to the woodshed by a few of you. The wounds have healed, so here I go again.

The conference championship streak is over, and I'm glad. It consumed Self and this team, and in today's world, it isn't relevant. Off the top of your heads, who has won the ACC, The Big 10, the SEC or the Pac 10 regular season championship the last two years. I don't know, and I don't care. Nobody else cares about KU's streak besides us. Well done for a decade, now move on.

We now can focus on getting ready for March, and getting our young guys some playing time. Back to the reality of every other team in the country. Play your season, get a high seed in the tourney, and peak in March. Our reality of winning the conference is done this year.

We can't win with Lucas and Traylor, so let's work on new rotations and getting Bragg, Svi, Diallo and Greene into the mix - before we have a mutiny and guys start to quit or transfer.

Relax, play loose, have fun (which isn't happening now) and get back to good basketball - which we're capable of.

I'm done complaining, unless Self sticks with the ridiculous six man rotation he's been going with. How foolish and unsuccessful it has been, and it's a shame. I just want to enjoy watching, and texting with my friends. Right now, none of us are having fun. Life is too short for angst - let's get back to having fun.

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8 years 9 months ago #2309 by Hawknmo
Is there room in the woodshed for one more? I am with you AZ. I sick to death of hearing about the greatness of winning the Big 12 every year. You want a truly great guard to come to Lawrence? Win some freakin games in March! You want to not complain about a poor seed? Win some freakin games in March! Want the rest of the hoops world to stop thinking chokehawks? Win some freakin games in March. And how about this...quit bragging about winning a league that can't do what???? Win some freakin games in March!!! We puff our chest out about a league that is horrific in March. Lets move on.

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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #2311 by LKF_HAWK
I agree, and will do my best to heed your good advice. However, the fun was watching this team develop into a rugged, physical and mental juggernaut. HCBS's led teams could take a beating, but play ugly, mean, and like a junkyard dog take the spirit out from the other team. The last 2.5 seasons this team has done the exact opposite. Regression not progression is what has happened, and there is nothing fun about it. To hear coach say the team lacks poise on the road is most disconcerting
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8 years 9 months ago #2336 by sasnak
I think losing Danny and Joe has made a HUGE difference in the team on the floor. I want the guys that played in the World games that were having fun and who could fight back. The only sense I get from this team is a lot of either resentment or apathy..

It'll feel better when it stops hurting

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8 years 9 months ago #2337 by Bayhawk
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8 years 9 months ago #2339 by konza63
This is what Illhawk was getting at yesterday, I believe, with the "and/or" comment. (Lousy translation on my part: We are deceiving ourselves by thinking we can win the Big 12 and have postseason success with the current rotation/approach, when in reality we need to take risks asap--risks that might jeopardize the Big 12 streak yet gain us deeper tourney success.)

Let me put more meat on these bones, and the sentiments in this new thread, because I concur.

A stark reality hit me this morning, upon sober reflection, and I think it bears underscoring:

Our current rotation is a notable step down from last year's team.

In fact, it's a carbon copy of last year's team: the one that won the Big 12--woohoo!--but flamed out in the Dance in a lifeless, limp game against trash-talking Greg Marshall and WSU.

Except it gets even worse. The current team is a carbon copy except last year's team had Kelly Oubre, who by the conference season was finally getting some minutes and proceeded to become one of our better, more dynamic players.

This year's rotation? It's last year's minus Kelly, with Devonte in a starter role: Ellis, Selden, Frank, Lucas/Traylor.

No growth, no advancement, no integration of potentially valuable pieces from the bench (Mickelson) or from the acclaimed recruitment pool (Bragg, Diallo, Vick).

Self has obviously settled on Ellis, Selden, Mason, Graham, and Lucas/Traylor as our rotation, and pushed all his chips to the middle of the table around that personnel approach. Bragg's and Diallo's minutes and development? Nothing but an afterthought. And too "risky" as we pursue #12 (playing for the short term--and now badly--while taking our eye off the long-term, ultimate focus: the postseason and tournament success).

As for Mickelson, he might as well be selling Dr. Pepper in the stands while mumbling strange nothings to himself. He's gone from quality minutes to mop-up to "DNP" in key games.

What a bizarre year. And I still submit that we wasted the entire non-conference schedule not actively playing, testing, iterating, evolving, advancing, and gelling with those other pieces on the floor. WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD (we know what we have) WITH THE LEFTOVERS FROM LAST YEAR. And we know where they are going to take us, or not take us, come March.

With the free-fall now fully underway, the question turns to this: Is it too late to shift course?

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1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.

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8 years 9 months ago #2344 by sasnak
is probably wondering if he should have gone to Wake Forest.

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8 years 9 months ago #2345 by Bayhawk
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting it to come out different" -- Ben Franklin en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Benjamin_Fran...finition_of_insanity ...

My flag is still at full staff, but my morale is in desperate need of "mental Viagra." Were it not for this board, I would probably throw in the towel for the season. With just a little over a minute left in the game I posted "Game, set, match, . . .season nfm" and went to bed. This morning I log in to a GIANT thread in response to my tantrum. The digital comradery of this board keeps me going, and for that I thank you all.

P.S. Where is Mom?

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8 years 9 months ago #2350 by JhawkMom
Got up this morning thinking I was going to post a tirade against Self, but here it was. I'm just adding my disgust to the board.

I kept hoping, just once, just once, just once, please try Hunter. But alas, stubborn Self just sat and watched this disaster.

At the beginning, I thought..... FINALLY. They were actually playing like they were a KU team. Then all fell apart fast. I can count on maybe 2 fingers the times I have turned off the tv early and last night, at the 5 minute mark, I gave up. Couldn't watch anymore. I knew the outcome. Did they rush the floor again???? They really shouldn't because beating a poor team shouldn't excite anybody.

I like everybody else believe it is all in Self's lap. He has lost his ability to see what we all see. Maybe he should stay home one game and watch on tv :-) I can just see Kenyucky smiling already. Geez what a trashing that will be.

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8 years 9 months ago #2356 by LasJayhawk
I've started sending tweets to @KUhoops no message, just #FreeMickelson

Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
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8 years 9 months ago #2357 by Bayhawk
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8 years 9 months ago #2387 by Riverhawk
Konza, all of what you say is spot on, and I share the frustration. From the outset, I've seen this team as basically last year's team, but hopeful that the kids and Hunter would provide a big boost. Not gonna happen, apparently. As much as I love Mason's toughness, the truth is this team has one, and only one, very good player. Perry has played great. I don't see anyone else who would qualify as special. And something else seems to be going on here. Why does a veteran team collapse (again) in the second half and show a remarkable lack of poise? What is the deal with Self and the bench guys? Has he lost this team? Or at least a good portion of them? The fact that they lost at places like W. Virginia and Iowa State hasn't surprised me. The way they have lost does. Doesn't bode well, imo.

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8 years 9 months ago #2395 by LasJayhawk
I came across this:

"I think it's very demoralizing when you leave a timeout saying we're going to run a play and then the play is broken off and the guy just cranks up a three," Kansas coach Bill Self said. "If we wanted him to shoot a three with 25 left on the clock we would have told him to do that."

Self did not identify the player in question, but his reaction to a first-half three-pointer from Selden with 16 seconds left on the shot clock, a stunned expression, palms pointing to the air, indicated that could have been the shot to the coach's gut. And it was the only three-pointer Selden made in six attempts. Self always has maintained he judges the wisdom of a shot when it leaves the hand, not whether it goes through the net, and he proved it at that moment.


I would prefer a more result driven approach. You may design a great play but when opportunity arises... I wonder if this is also why Mickelson is in the dog house?

Link: www2.kusports.com/news/2016/jan/25/tom-k...in-/?mens_basketball

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