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WOO HOO!
er, that is to say ROCK CHALK! JAYHAWK! K U!
This origin post for AY2022-23 serves to prepare the way for that campaign, in which it is possible that BILL SELF just might pass the immortal PHOG ALLEN as the winningest head coach in KANSAS history!
It will take another fantastic year, but it is possible.
The AY2021-22 thread can be found at this link.
The AY2023-24 thread can be found here.
WON-LOST
at KU ... NAME ........... ( % ) . CAREER ( % )
590-219 Phog Allen.... (.729) 746-264 . (.739)
556-124 BILL SELF..... (.818) 763-229 . (.769)
418-101 Roy Williams (.805) 903-264 . (.774)
34 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
140 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*SELF'S PROJECTED "KU PASS YEAR": AY2023-24
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BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-04-12
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill is now mathematically positioned to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. In his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds are against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23.
("Odds?!? We don't need no stinking odds!")
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
MAY BILL AND THE JAYHAWKS PROVE ME WRONG!
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach (for his whole career) to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
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Picking this up again for this season now that Bill is back on board starting with Game 5 of the season.
WON-LOST
at KU ... NAME ........... ( % ) . CAREER ( % )
590-219 Phog Allen.... (.729) 746-264 . (.739)
559-125 BILL SELF..... (.817) 766-230 . (.769)
418-101 Roy Williams (.805) 903-264 . (.774)
31 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
137 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*SELF'S PROJECTED "KU PASS YEAR": AY2023-24
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU ... NAME ........... ( % ) . CAREER ( % )
590-219 Phog Allen.... (.729) 746-264 . (.739)
560-125 BILL SELF...... (.818) 767-230 . (.769)
418-101 Roy Williams (.805) 903-264 . (.774)
30 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
136 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*SELF'S PROJECTED "KU PASS YEAR": AY2023-24
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU ... NAME ........... ( % ) . CAREER ( % )
590-219 Phog Allen.... (.729) 746-264 . (.739)
561-125 BILL SELF....... (.818) 768-230 . (.770)
418-101 Roy Williams (.805) 903-264 . (.774)
29 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
135 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*SELF'S PROJECTED "KU PASS YEAR": AY2023-24
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU ... NAME ........... ( % ) .. CAREER ( % )
590-219 Phog Allen.... (.729) 746-264 . (.739)
562-125 BILL SELF....... (.818) 769-230 . (.770)
418-101 Roy Williams (.805) 903-264 . (.774)
28 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
134 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*SELF'S PROJECTED "KU PASS YEAR": AY2023-24
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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The Harvard game on December 22 was the 1000th Division 1 game coached by Bill Self in his Hall of Fame career.
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
563-125 (.818) BILL SELF_____ 770-230 (.770)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
27 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
133 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To tie Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
564-125 (.819) BILL SELF_____ 771-230 (.770)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
26 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
132 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To tie Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
=================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2022-11-28
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to get there.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the new lifetime contract already seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 — and a Top 10 class so far for 2023 — is any indication. And while freshman are always a question mark, it certainly helps to have high ranking talent coming in to backfill the losses from the AY2021-22 team.
But given all the above, and not wanting to jinx the whole thing from the outset, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turns 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU__ ( % )_ NAME_______ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
565-125 (.819) BILL SELF___ 772-230 (.770)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
26 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
25 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
131 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
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BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-03
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Not wanting to jinx the whole thing, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU__ ( % )_ NAME_______ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
566-125 (.819) BILL SELF___ 773-230 (.771)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
25 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
24 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
130 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-03
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Not wanting to jinx the whole thing, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy (who turned 71 in August 2021) retired April 1, 2021 with a career record of 903-264 (.774) after 33 seasons as the head coach of both KANSAS (15 years , 418-101, .805) and the tarred ones (18 years, 485-163, .748).
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
567-125 (.819) BILL SELF_____ 774-230 (.771)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
24 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
23 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
129 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-10
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Not wanting to jinx the whole thing, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied by the state. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When he retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
568-125 (.820) BILL SELF_____ 775-230 (.771)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
23 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
22 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.*
128 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
*To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
The likelihood of repeating is a lot greater than KU running the remaining table, but wouldn't we love seeing both!
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-10
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would require winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
For what it's worth, in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Not wanting to jinx the whole thing, my "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog is going to be next season, AY2023-24.
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied by the state. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When he retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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I normally don't like to update this thread after a loss, as it does not advance the eventual Self's March to the Sea (Phog's KU record), but after 3 straight losses I feel an update is required. Edits to the continuing BACKGROUND text have also been made to reflect the current state of the chase.
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
568-128 (.816) BILL SELF_____ 775-233 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
20 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
22 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
128 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Oh, well.
Hopefully the Jayhawks can get it together enough to repeat as Big 12 and NCAA Champions.
Hope springs eternal.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
569-128 (.816) BILL SELF_____ 776-233 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
19 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
21 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
127 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Oh, well.
Hopefully the Jayhawks can get it together enough to repeat as Big 12 and NCAA Champions.
Hope springs eternal.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
570-128 (.817) BILL SELF_____ 777-233 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
18 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
20 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
126 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Oh, well.
Hopefully the Jayhawks can get it together enough to repeat as Big 12 and NCAA Champions.
Hope springs eternal.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
571-129 (.816) BILL SELF_____ 778-234 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
16 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
19 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
125 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
Last night's game against tu in The Phog was a promising competition, projecting continuing improvements in the bench as the regular season end comes rushing into view. Here's to our young fellas continuing to develop and help Jalen, Dajuan, Joe Yes and the rest of the guys from last year's team repeat as Big 12 and NCAA Champions!
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
572-129 (.816) BILL SELF_____ 779-234 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
15 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
18 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
124 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
Last night's game against tu in The Phog was a promising competition, projecting continuing improvements in the bench as the regular season end comes rushing into view. Here's to our young fellas continuing to develop and help Jalen, Dajuan, Joe Yes and the rest of the guys from last year's team repeat as Big 12 and NCAA Champions!
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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The win at Stillwater tonight was key because it put KANSAS in a 3-way tie for first with Baylor and Texas, and evened Bill Self's Stillwater record to 8-8. As of today the only Big 12 venue where Self has a losing record is at WVU in Morgantown, where he is now 5-6 after this year's victory there.
ROCK CHALK!
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % )__ NAME________ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
573-129 (.816) BILL SELF_____ 780-234 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
14 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
17 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
123 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-01-24
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
My "Pass Year" projection for Bill passing Phog remains next season, AY2023-24. (I haven't soured *that* much on this year's Jayhawks!)
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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A TREMENDOUS come from behind second half 55-26 TROUNCING (final 87-71) of the Baylor Bears keeps KANSAS in a tie for first place because OU fell short in its overtime upset bid in tu's new Moody Center in Austin.
ROCK CHALK!
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % ) NAME_______ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
574-129 (.817) BILL SELF___ 781-234 (.769)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
13 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
16 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
122 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
Here's to his Jayhawks only needing to give him 3 wins next season to tie PHOG!
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-02-18
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
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TCU = another W closer to Phog and another Big 12 title!
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % ) NAME_______ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
575-129 (.817) BILL SELF___ 782-234 (.770)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
12 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
15 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
121 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
Here's to his Jayhawks only needing to give him 3 wins next season to tie PHOG!
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BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-02-18
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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WVU = One step closer!
WON-LOST
at KU___ ( % ) NAME_______ CAREER ( % )
590-219 (.729) Phog Allen___ 746-264 (.739)
576-129 (.817) BILL SELF___ 783-234 (.770)
418-101 (.805) Roy Williams_ 903-264 (.774)
11 = Potential games left in AY2022-23 if KU makes the finals in both the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.
14 = Wins to tie Phog as winningest Head Coach in KANSAS history.
120 = Wins to tie Roy as THE winningest KANSAS Head Coach for TOTAL CAREER
To pass Phog this year Self's Jayhawks would have had to finish 39-1, repeating as National Champions.
Self should pass both Phog and 800 wins early next season.
Here's to his Jayhawks only needing to give him 3 wins next season to tie PHOG!
===============================================
BACKGROUND
(This section seldom changes during the course of the season, but is copied in each new post for easy reference.)
Last Update: 2023-02-18
With AY2021-22's 34-6 record and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Bill was mathematically positioned to be able to pass Phog by the end of the AY2022-23 postseason. It would have required winning 35 games in AY2022-23. With his four game suspension to start the year and the loss against Tennessee in the Battle for Atlantis, KANSAS would have had to run the table the rest of the way to pass Phog.
FYI: in his 19 years at KANSAS Bill's teams have won 69 games or more in two consecutive seasons just once, so the odds were against him racking up 35 Ws for AY2022-23 even before he had to sit for the first 4 games of the season as part of KU's self-imposed actions to try to finally get the outstanding NCAA case against KANSAS and Self and Assistant Coach Kurtis Townsend settled..
60+ WIN CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
70 wins AY2006-07 and AY2007-08
68 wins AY2009-10 and AY2010-11
67 wins AY2010-11 and AY2011-12
64 wins (a) AY2007-08 and AY 2008-09 (b) AY2015-16 and AY2016-17
63 wins AY2011-12 and AY2012-13
62 wins AY2016-17 and AY2017-18
Despite the NCAA case still not being settled as I write this, the lifetime contract -- and frankly, the lack of any significant punishment being meted out by the NCAA to programs like Arizona -- seems to be having a positive impact on recruiting if having the Rivals #3 recruiting class for 2022 and one of the top recruiting classes for 2023 so far (Rivals #18, 247Sports #11, ESPN #13) is any indication.
Phog was forcibly retired after the AY1955-56 season due to a Kansas state law requiring state employees to retire at 70. He petitioned for an exemption so he would be able to coach sophomore Wilt Chamberlain in his NCAA varsity debut season, but was denied. His assistant Dick Harp took over as head coach. When Phog retired his record was
KANSAS 39 years
• 1 NCAA Tournament Championship (1952), 2 Helms National Championships (1922, 1923)
• 3 Final Fours (1940, 1952, 1953) and 3 NC games in 18 years of NCAA Tournament existence
• 24 Conference Regular Season Championships
• Career W-L: Kansas 590-219 (.729), total 746-264 (0.739)
Even when the day comes that Bill passes Phog's totals to become the winningest coach in KANSAS history, he will still be the 2nd winningest men's basketball coach for his whole career to ever coach at KANSAS.
Roy only stayed at KU long enough to record a 418-101 KANSAS record, but he went on to pass Phog in Career wins with his alma mater. Roy, who turned 71 in August 2021, retired April 1, 2021. His record after 33 years -
KANSAS 15 years
• 4 Final Fours (1991, 1993, 2002, 2003); 2 NC games (1991, 2003)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships (Big 8: 5; Big 12: 4)
• Kansas W-L: 418-101 (.808)
NORTH CAROLINA 18 years
• 3 NCAA Championships (2005, 2009, 2017)
• 5 Final Fours (2005, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2017); 4 NC games (2005, 2009, 2016, 2017)
• 9 Conference Regular Season Championships
• UNC W-L: 483-163 (748)
• CAREER: W-L: 903-264 (.774), 18 Conference Regular Season Championships
Bill (who turned 60 in December 2022) still has a long way to go after 29 seasons (conservatively another 6 seasons if he averages 25 wins per season) to catch and pass Roy in total career wins and be the winningest head coach ever to coach at KANSAS.
How much longer will Bill Self coach?
I'd love to see him coach for another 10 seasons (starting with this season) for 39 total seasons coaching, retiring at 70 in 2033 and winning over 1000 games in his career.
But what does Bill think, you say?
See
KC Star: KU coach Bill Self addresses NBA rumors: ‘I look forward to being here for a long time’ by Sam Mellinger.
and
KUSports.com - Tait: Kansas basketball coach Bill Self signs lifetime contract extension with KU (2021-04-02)
*NB:
AY2021-22 final record was 34-6
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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