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The NCAA case against KANSAS is in the news again
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by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
KCStar - Newell: IARP updates KU’s NCAA case entry for first time in months. Here are vague takeaways
"Vague takeaways" is very, very apropos.
From reading the article nothing has really changed, and the NCAA is reluctant to provide KANSAS and Self documents the school and coach have requested .Things that make you go "hmmmm..."
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in amazement at how these Indy idiots have painted themselves into a corner.
At the risk of repeating myself (and oh, yes, I will)...
If the NCAA had anything substantial, that would hold up in court if it came to that, the boom would have been lowered months ago.
The very fact that there is still no final result on this indicates that the NCAA, thru the IARP (watching out that the bigoted, KU-hate-blinded bastards in Compliance don't bring the whole cash cow burning down to the ground because KU has dared to dig in and fight back), is doing what it can to save face and not end up in court.
If they let the whole shebang slide they expose themselves as the knaves we all know they are but cannot act as in the current environment without some form of retribution significantly hurting them (or even other sacred cow programs). But to save face they have to come up with something that seems like a punishment but won't get them into court - i.e., something KU is willing to accept in lieu of the case continuing ad infinitem.
Personally I'm happy to let it keep dragging out. It only makes the NCAA look the worse in the public eye, and more importantly, in the eyes of Congress types looking for a bipartisan cause they can share in one big kumbayah!
Q: Why has this not been settled yet?
A: Because the NCAA has overreached (to be polite), and they know it.
I'm willing to consider logical alternatives to my position.
"Vague takeaways" is very, very apropos.
From reading the article nothing has really changed, and the NCAA is reluctant to provide KANSAS and Self documents the school and coach have requested .Things that make you go "hmmmm..."
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in amazement at how these Indy idiots have painted themselves into a corner.
At the risk of repeating myself (and oh, yes, I will)...
If the NCAA had anything substantial, that would hold up in court if it came to that, the boom would have been lowered months ago.
The very fact that there is still no final result on this indicates that the NCAA, thru the IARP (watching out that the bigoted, KU-hate-blinded bastards in Compliance don't bring the whole cash cow burning down to the ground because KU has dared to dig in and fight back), is doing what it can to save face and not end up in court.
If they let the whole shebang slide they expose themselves as the knaves we all know they are but cannot act as in the current environment without some form of retribution significantly hurting them (or even other sacred cow programs). But to save face they have to come up with something that seems like a punishment but won't get them into court - i.e., something KU is willing to accept in lieu of the case continuing ad infinitem.
Personally I'm happy to let it keep dragging out. It only makes the NCAA look the worse in the public eye, and more importantly, in the eyes of Congress types looking for a bipartisan cause they can share in one big kumbayah!
Q: Why has this not been settled yet?
A: Because the NCAA has overreached (to be polite), and they know it.
I'm willing to consider logical alternatives to my position.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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2 years 7 months ago #29001
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"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
First off, there's definitely somebody at the Star with an axe to grind against KU. If KU wins tomorrow, it's almost guaranteed that there will be some kind of negative story within 48 hours. It's just an expectation at this point so I ignore them.
As for the case, I agree. Here's what they have: a recording where an Adidas exec gave a laundry list of things that would need to be provided in order to get Zion, with a response from a KU coach that essentially said, "Ok, let me see what we can do about this."
Here's what that can mean:
a.) Coach heard crazy demands and actually investigated trying to secure them....but never delivered because Zion went to Duke.
b.) Coach heard crazy demands and said "let me see" and then hung up, looked at his dog and said, "that guy's nuts" and went to lunch.
Neither of those is a violation. If somebody had said you have to rob a bank to get Zion, even a promise to rob the bank without robbing the bank doesn't constitute a crime. Maybe the coach took the demands to Self who said, "that's nuts, don't do that." In the end, we KNOW that KU secured none of these things because ZION ATTENDED DUKE.
Meanwhile, it's just as likely that (as many of us have done when they're talking to a crazy person on the phone) you say something noncommittal to get out of the conversation, and go about your business.
But what REALLY gets my goat is that NOBODY is looking at whether these demands were met, and if they were met by a team that just lost to an in-state rival. I'm no detective, but it would seem that if Zion's dad wanted a new job or if the family wanted a new house, you could look at whether dad's job changed, or if the family moved. If so, maybe dig a little deeper to see how those things happened.
But yeah, frustrating. And meanwhile, we're playing against a school that got off the hook for literally the largest cheating scandal in the history of college sports.
As for the case, I agree. Here's what they have: a recording where an Adidas exec gave a laundry list of things that would need to be provided in order to get Zion, with a response from a KU coach that essentially said, "Ok, let me see what we can do about this."
Here's what that can mean:
a.) Coach heard crazy demands and actually investigated trying to secure them....but never delivered because Zion went to Duke.
b.) Coach heard crazy demands and said "let me see" and then hung up, looked at his dog and said, "that guy's nuts" and went to lunch.
Neither of those is a violation. If somebody had said you have to rob a bank to get Zion, even a promise to rob the bank without robbing the bank doesn't constitute a crime. Maybe the coach took the demands to Self who said, "that's nuts, don't do that." In the end, we KNOW that KU secured none of these things because ZION ATTENDED DUKE.
Meanwhile, it's just as likely that (as many of us have done when they're talking to a crazy person on the phone) you say something noncommittal to get out of the conversation, and go about your business.
But what REALLY gets my goat is that NOBODY is looking at whether these demands were met, and if they were met by a team that just lost to an in-state rival. I'm no detective, but it would seem that if Zion's dad wanted a new job or if the family wanted a new house, you could look at whether dad's job changed, or if the family moved. If so, maybe dig a little deeper to see how those things happened.
But yeah, frustrating. And meanwhile, we're playing against a school that got off the hook for literally the largest cheating scandal in the history of college sports.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Agree, Not O.
As I have noted in the past, Grant Hill is supposedly on the IARP panel.
Who here thinks he is not going to fight against doing anything that might blow back on his alma mater?
Exactly.
As I have noted in the past, Grant Hill is supposedly on the IARP panel.
Who here thinks he is not going to fight against doing anything that might blow back on his alma mater?
Exactly.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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