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2 years 8 months ago #28780
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Let's focus on one number in particular: the inconsistency for Creighton is
13.0 points. They've played over 28 points above expectation, as well as
over 24 points below expectation. That makes our Round of 32 game more
unpredictable. They only need to play above expectation by double digits to
beat Kansas, and they've done that eight times in 34 games. That's equivalent
to a 23.5 percent chance of beating Kansas.
Injuries have probably made that harder to accomplish. Starting center Ryan
Kalkbrenner went down with a knee injury during the overtime period of the
game against San Diego State, and he is out for the rest of the tournament.
That's on top of the wrist injury to starting guard Ryan Nembhard, who has the
most minutes, most assists, and most steals on the team, but also the most
turnovers. So it's next man up for the Bluejays. Alexander has already done
that in place of Nembhard, and performed quite well. Can Kalkbrenner's
replacement do as well? Those prognosticators who take into account injuries
will likely give Kansas a slightly bigger edge as a result, though exactly how
much is hard to say. Rather than playing with a center, Creighton may choose
to play small ball, going with a guard. Kalkbrenner averaged 13.1 points a game,
second only to Hawkins' 13.8 points a game. If they go with a forward, KeyShawn
Feazekk averages just 3.0 points a game, though in one-third the playing time of
Kalkbrenner, so adjusted for playing time, Feazell might average 9.3 points a
game, a loss of 4.5 points relative to Kalkbrenner.
Pomeroy has Creighton with the #19 defense, even better than Kansas. That's
been their strength. But the Jayhawks have lots of experience playing against
top defenses in the Big 12.
Dunkel seems to have fixed his bizarre ranking for Kansas; the Jayhawks are
now up to #4. And he's gone from the most pessimistic prediction against
Texas Southern to the most optimistic prediction against Creighton: 15.5 points.
Next most optimistic is the common opponents comparison, which is 13.0 points,
though based on only two opponents and four scores. Then we have ESPN's BPI,
which has Kansas by 12.4 points. Vegas and Greenfield agree (as usual) on
11.5 points. Sagarin, Massey, Pomeroy, and Dolphin are all in the 9 point
range, except for Sagarin Recent Games, where Creighton is ranked #12,
thereby reducing the margin for Kansas to just 2.6 points.
Sagarin has Creighton ranked near TCU, just to make a comparison with a
familiar conference opponent. The Bluejays have both a positive trend as
well as a positive mental toughness rating, both with some statistical
significance. Kansas has almost erased its negative trend, but that negative
mental toughness rating will be hard to change, though keep in mind that
neither is statisticaly significant. Taken at face value, however, the
margin for Kansas would shrink to 6.5 points.
I really hate it when we have an early tip and I'm waiting on one of the
prognosticators to post their game predictions. In this case, Sagarin is
the one I'm waiting on. I can manually compute the margins for the four
ratings methods using his numbers from a previous posting, though I
cannot do so for his eigenvector analysis, nor can I guess what his total
points might be, so I'll just go with the average of the two teams and
get this posted to allow me a few hours of sleep. If there is any major
change, I can post an update just before tip-off.
Win today and Kansas ties Kentucky for most all-time wins.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats Cr KU Defensive Stats Cr KU
Points/Game 69.1 78.7 Opp Points/Game 66.0 67.8
Avg Score Margin +3.1 +10.9 Opp Effective FG % 44.9 46.6
Assists/Game 13.2 15.6 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.3 10.0
Total Rebounds/Gm 38.4 37.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 27.4 25.1
Effective FG % 50.8 54.2 Blocks/Game 4.3 4.1
Off Rebound % 26.9 32.2 Steals/Game 5.5 6.5
FTA/FGA 0.265 0.322 Personal Fouls/Gm 13.5 16.0
Turnover % 18.1 15.4
My Stats Comparison KU Cr
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.67 +0.24
inconsistency 9.67 13.02
trend -0.02 ± 0.16 +0.31 ± 0.22
mental toughness -0.20 ± 0.24 +0.33 ± 0.27
average total pts 146.51 135.15
Common Opponents
================
There are two common opponents, namely St. John's and Iowa State, with each
team playing its conference foe twice, giving us four scores to compare:
KU +1 ISU at home ( -3 neutral court) KU +9 ISU on road (+13 neutral court)
Cre -6 ISU at home (-10 neutral court) Cre -6 ISU at home (-10 neutral court)
KU +7 Cre neutral ( +7 neutral court) KU +23 Cre neutral (+23 neutral court)
KU +20 StJ on road (+24 neutral court) KU +20 StJ on road (+24 neutral court)
Cre +23 StJ at home (+19 neutral court) Cre +3 StJ on road ( +7 neutral court)
KU +5 Cre neutral ( +5 neutral court) KU +17 Cre neutral (+17 neutral court)
All four comparisons favor Kansas. The average is 13.0 points with a scatter of 8.5 points.
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most points Ryan Hawkins (forward)
most rebounds Ryan Hawkins (forward)
most assists Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most steals Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most blocks Ryan Kalkbrenner (center)
most turnovers Ryan Nembhard (guard)
most fouls Arthur Kaluma (forward)
Center Ryan Kalkbrenner went down with a knee injury in the overtime period against
San Diego State and is out for the rest of the tournament. Guard Ryan Nembhard is
out with an injury to his right wrist. Reserve guard Shereef Mitchell is out with
a foot injury.
29-6 23-11
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Creighton
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +8.84 # 3 # 8 # 39 # 33
Sagarin Predictor +9.27 75 66 78.8 # 4 # 8 # 49 # 33
Sagarin Golden Mean +8.17 # 2 # 8 # 35 # 33
Sagarin Recent Games +2.62 77 61 # 5 # 8 # 12 # 33
Sagarin Eigenvector
Massey +8.00 75 67 77 # 3 # 3 # 34 # 40
Pomeroy +9.23 78 60 # 5 # 4 # 55 # 37
Greenfield +11.50 75.5 64 # 5 # 3 # 53 # 39
Dunkel +15.50 73 58 # 4 # 26
Vegas (via Dunkel) +11.50 76 64
Dolphin Predictive +8.93 76 67 78.6 # 6 # 4 # 49 # 39
Real Time # 5 # 4 # 53 # 42
Seven Overtimes +13.00 77 64 82 # 3 # 3 # 91 # 45
DPPI +9.00 74 # # # #
ESPN BPI +12.40 86.9 # 8 # 11 # 69 # 44
Whitlock +8.93 # 3 # 2 # 45 # 37
Colley Matrix +8.41 # 2 # 3 # 33 # 26
NCAA NET # 6 # 55
LRMC # 6 # 2 # 50 # 35
common opponents +13.00
Massey composite # 3 # 42
Pomeroy offense # 5 #127
Pomeroy defense # 24 # 19
Pomeroy tempo # 65 #185
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +9.89 75.8 63.4 79.6
scatter 2.93 1.5 3.2 4.5
Here is Kansas' season, including the higher remaining seed:
CUMU.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB. PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- ----- -----
NEUT # 29 Michigan State 87 74 +6.38 +6.62
HOME #224 Tarleton State 88 62 +25.11 +0.89
HOME #234 Stony Brook-NY 88 59 +25.69 +3.31
NEUT # 83 North Texas 71 59 +12.04 -0.04
NEUT # 57 Dayton 73 74 +9.67 -10.67
NEUT #107 Iona College 96 83 +14.29 -1.29
AWAY # 47 St. John's 95 75 +6.23 +13.77
HOME #162 UTEP 78 52 +21.66 +4.34
HOME #114 Missouri 102 65 +17.79 +19.21
HOME #125 Stephen F. Austin 80 72 +18.72 -10.72
HOME #115 Nevada 88 61 +17.83 +9.17
HOME #113 George Mason 76 67 +17.49 -8.49
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma State 74 63 +5.84 +5.16
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 67 75 -0.52 -7.48
HOME # 58 Iowa State 62 61 +12.09 -11.09
HOME # 60 West Virginia 85 59 +12.13 +13.87
AWAY # 31 Oklahoma 67 64 +4.62 -1.62
AWAY # 72 Kansas State 78 75 +8.34 -5.34
HOME # 14 Texas Tech 94 91 +4.30 -1.30
HOME # 6 Kentucky 62 80 +3.20 -21.20
AWAY # 58 Iowa State 70 61 +7.27 +1.73
HOME # 4 Baylor 83 59 +2.30 +21.70
AWAY # 19 Texas 76 79 +1.92 -4.92
HOME # 31 Oklahoma 71 69 +9.44 -7.44
HOME # 42 Oklahoma State 76 62 +10.66 +3.34
AWAY # 60 West Virginia 71 58 +7.31 +5.69
HOME # 72 Kansas State 102 83 +13.16 +5.84
AWAY # 4 Baylor 70 80 -2.52 -7.48
AWAY # 46 TCU 64 74 +6.18 -16.18
HOME # 46 TCU 72 68 +11.00 -7.00
HOME # 19 Texas 70 63 +6.74 +0.26
NEUT # 60 West Virginia 87 63 +9.72 +14.28
NEUT # 46 TCU 75 62 +8.59 +4.41
NEUT # 14 Texas Tech 74 65 +1.89 +7.11
NEUT #210 Texas Southern 83 56 +21.95 +5.05
NEUT # 51 Creighton +9.15 0.788 0.788
NEUT # 36 Providence +7.64 0.770 0.607
NEUT # 13 Auburn +1.77 0.568 0.345
NEUT # 2 Arizona -1.09 0.458 0.158
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga -4.36 0.337 0.053
Here is Creighton's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #354 Ark.-Pine Bluff 90 77 +29.16 -16.16
HOME #252 Kennesaw State 51 44 +17.97 -10.97
AWAY #117 Nebraska 77 69 +4.12 +3.88
NEUT #200 Brown 78 57 +12.18 +8.82
NEUT # 37 Colorado State 81 95 -1.30 -12.70
NEUT #128 Southern Illinois 66 64 +7.48 -5.48
HOME #300 SIU-Edwardsville 70 65 +21.49 -16.49
HOME #154 North Dakota State 80 55 +12.07 +12.93
HOME # 58 Iowa State 58 64 +2.94 -8.94
NEUT # 48 BYU 83 71 -0.23 +12.23
HOME # 79 Arizona State 57 58 +4.92 -5.92
HOME # 11 Villanova 79 59 -5.16 +25.16
AWAY # 49 Marquette 75 69 -2.62 +8.62
AWAY # 11 Villanova 41 75 -9.98 -24.02
AWAY # 38 Xavier-Ohio 73 80 -3.63 -3.37
HOME # 47 St. John's 87 64 +1.90 +21.10
HOME # 94 DePaul 60 47 +6.02 +6.98
AWAY #110 Butler 55 72 +3.02 -20.02
HOME # 38 Xavier-Ohio 64 74 +1.19 -11.19
AWAY # 17 Connecticut 59 55 -7.45 +11.45
AWAY # 33 Seton Hall 55 74 -4.33 -14.67
HOME #110 Butler 54 52 +7.84 -5.84
AWAY #134 Georgetown 80 66 +5.60 +8.40
HOME #134 Georgetown 88 77 +10.42 +0.58
AWAY # 94 DePaul 71 59 +1.20 +10.80
HOME # 49 Marquette 83 82 +2.20 -1.20
AWAY # 47 St. John's 81 78 -2.92 +5.92
AWAY # 36 Providence 51 72 -3.92 -17.08
HOME # 17 Connecticut 64 62 -2.63 +4.63
HOME # 33 Seton Hall 60 65 +0.49 -5.49
NEUT # 49 Marquette 74 63 -0.21 +11.21
NEUT # 36 Providence 85 58 -1.51 +28.51
NEUT # 11 Villanova 48 54 -7.57 +1.57
NEUT # 34 San Diego State 72 69 -1.86 +4.86
NEUT # 5 Kansas -9.15 0.212
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2 years 8 months ago #28792
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I knew this was the case, but seeing it stated in the here and now by Asteroid - punctuating that it's really possible right now, today - is amazing.
Let's do this, Hawks!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
Win today and Kansas ties Kentucky for most all-time wins.
I knew this was the case, but seeing it stated in the here and now by Asteroid - punctuating that it's really possible right now, today - is amazing.
Let's do this, Hawks!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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2 years 8 months ago #28796
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The update:
My Stats Comparison KU Cr
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.51 -0.09
inconsistency 9.62 13.01
trend -0.01 ± 0.16 +0.30 ± 0.22
mental toughness -0.19 ± 0.23 +0.33 ± 0.27
average total pts 146.51 135.15
29-6 23-11
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Creighton
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +8.96 74 65 79 # 3 # 8 # 39 # 33
Sagarin Predictor +9.38 74 65 79.4 # 4 # 8 # 49 # 33
Sagarin Golden Mean +8.34 74 66 # 2 # 8 # 35 # 33
Sagarin Recent Games +2.68 71 68 # 5 # 8 # 12 # 33
Sagarin Eigenvector +12.88 76 63 86
Massey +8.00 75 67 77 # 3 # 3 # 34 # 40
Pomeroy +9.23 78 60 # 5 # 4 # 55 # 37
Greenfield +11.50 75.5 64 # 5 # 3 # 53 # 39
Dunkel +15.50 73 58 # 4 # 26
Vegas (via Dunkel) +11.50 76 64
Dolphin Predictive +8.93 76 67 78.6 # 6 # 4 # 49 # 39
Real Time # 5 # 4 # 53 # 42
Seven Overtimes +13.00 77 64 82 # 3 # 3 # 91 # 45
DPPI +9.00 74 # # # #
ESPN BPI +12.40 86.9 # 8 # 11 # 69 # 44
Whitlock +8.93 # 3 # 2 # 45 # 37
Colley Matrix +8.41 # 2 # 3 # 33 # 26
NCAA NET # 6 # 55
LRMC # 6 # 2 # 50 # 35
common opponents +13.00
Massey composite # 3 # 42
Pomeroy offense # 5 #127
Pomeroy defense # 24 # 19
Pomeroy tempo # 65 #185
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +10.10 75.0 64.3 80.4
scatter 2.90 1.9 2.9 4.4
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