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2 years 9 months ago #28486
by asteroid
On paper, it's the easiest remaining regular season game, to be followed on
Saturday by the most difficult remaining regular season game. However, based
on the earlier contests against these two opponents, it could be the other
way around. Kansas had an easy time with Baylor and struggled with Kansas
State, falling behind by 16 at the half and giving up 50 points in that half
to a team that normally scores more like 34 points in a half. Nijel Pack was
all-world from behind the arc in that game, so one might think that the key to
winning today is to control Pack. But could somebody else step up if the
Jayhawks did succeed in containing Pack? At least this time Kansas has the
home court advantage.
All the prognosticators have Kansas winning by double digits. RealTime, with
his enormous home court advantage, is the most optimistic, giving Kansas a
21 point margin, while Massey is the pessimist at just 11 points, though
Sagarin Recent Games is just 0.01 point more than Massey, and Pomeroy just
0.05 points more. The average is 13.9 points with a scatter of 3.0 points.
(N.B. Seven Overtimes' predictions are still AWOL, which is puzzling, given
that his rankings showed the updated records through Saturday's games.)
Kansas has played only a single game below expectation by enough to lose
(the Kentucky game, which was also in Allen Field House). That's out of 26
games, for a 3.8 percent chance of losing. Meanwhile, Kansas State has
played above expectation by enough to overcome the margin on three ocassions,
namely North Dakota, Texas Tech, and TCU, that last one coming on the road.
That's also out of 26 games, for an 11.5 percent chance of winning. The
two average to a 7.7 percent chance of Kansas suffering the upset, a fair
bit less than the 12.3 percent average of the various probabilities shown
in the table below.
None of the trend or mental toughness value are statistically significant,
though they're both positive for Kansas State and both negative for Kansas.
Taken at face value, they decrease the Sagarin Predictor margin from 12.8
to 11.1 points.
Baylor and Texas Tech are favored in all their remaining games, so Kansas
can't afford to lose this game and still win the conference championship
outright, given that Baylor is favored on Saturday. Basically, Kansas
needs to defeat the Wildcats and the Horned Frogs (twice), while splitting
the two remaining tough games against Baylor and Texas. That'll win the
championship outright.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats KSU KU Defensive Stats KSU KU
Points/Game 68.3 79.2 Opp Points/Game 65.0 67.7
Avg Score Margin +3.3 +11.5 Opp Effective FG % 47.2 46.8
Assists/Game 12.9 15.7 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.0 10.3
Total Rebounds/Gm 34.7 37.6 Def Rebounds/Gm 23.5 25.0
Effective FG % 48.7 55.1 Blocks/Game 1.7 4.2
Off Rebound % 24.7 33.7 Steals/Game 7.1 6.4
FTA/FGA 0.292 0.324 Personal Fouls/Gm 17.2 15.5
Turnover % 14.7 15.8
My Stats Comparison KU KSU
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.83 +1.24
inconsistency 9.84 8.80
trend -0.14 ± 0.26 +0.15 ± 0.23
mental toughness -0.17 ± 0.28 +0.07 ± 0.15
average total pts 146.81 133.38
Common Opponents
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There are seven common opponents, all in conference, three of which Kansas has played
twice (Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Iowa State), two of which Kansas State has played twice
(Texas, Baylor), and two of which both have played twice (West Virginia, Oklahoma State),
in which case I'll use only the home-home and road-road permutations, plus the
head-to-head in Manhattan, giving us fifteen scores to compare:
KU +3 OU on road ( +7 neutral court) KU +2 OU at home ( -2 neutral court)
KSU -2 OU on road ( +2 neutral court) KSU -2 OU on road ( +2 neutral court)
KU +9 KSU at home ( +5 neutral court) KU 0 KSU at home ( -4 neutral court)
KU -3 UT on road ( +1 neutral court) KU -3 UT on road ( +1 neutral court)
KSU -13 UT at home (-17 neutral court) KSU +1 UT on road ( +5 neutral court)
KU +22 KSU at home (+18 neutral court) KU 0 KSU at home ( -4 neutral court)
KU +13 WVU on road (+17 neutral court) KU +26 WVU at home (+22 neutral court)
KSU -3 WVU on road ( +1 neutral court) KSU +5 WVU at home ( +1 neutral court)
KU +20 KSU at home (+16 neutral court) KU +25 KSU at home (+21 neutral court)
KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral court) KU -8 TTU on road ( -4 neutral court)
KSU +11 TTU at home ( +7 neutral court) KSU +11 TTU at home ( +7 neutral court)
KU -4 KSU at home ( -8 neutral court) KU -7 KSU at home (-11 neutral court)
KU +24 BU at home (+20 neutral court) KU +24 BU at home (+20 neutral court)
KSU -25 BU on road (-21 neutral court) KSU -15 BU at home (-19 neutral court)
KU +45 KSU at home (+41 neutral court) KU +43 KSU at home (+39 neutral court)
KU +14 OSU at home (+10 neutral court) KU +11 OSU on road (+15 neutral court)
KSU +3 OSU at home ( -1 neutral court) KSU -3 OSU on road ( +1 neutral court)
KU +15 KSU at home (+11 neutral court) KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral court)
KU +9 ISU on road (+13 neutral court) KU +1 ISU at home ( -3 neutral court)
KSU +6 ISU on road (+10 neutral court) KSU +6 ISU on road (+10 neutral court)
KU +7 KSU at home ( +3 neutral court) KU -9 KSU at home (-13 neutral court)
KU +3 KSU on road ( +7 neutral court)
KU +11 KSU at home ( +7 neutral court)
The Baylor comparison is particularly favorable for Kansas, while the Texas Tech
comparison favors Kansas State. The average is 13.0 points in favor of Kansas,
with a scatter of 16.5 points.
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Nijel Pack (guard)
most points Nijel Pack (guard)
most rebounds Mark Smith (guard)
most assists Markquis Nowell (guard)
most steals Markquis Nowell (guard)
most blocks Davion Bradford (forward)
most turnovers Markquis Nowell (guard)
most fouls Mark Smith (guard)
Reserve guard Maximus Edwards is out for the season with a leg injury. Reserve
forward Seryee Lewis will likely miss the entire season with a knee injury.
Reserve forward Logan Landers and reserve guard Trey Harris were recently in
COVID protocol, so could become available at any time.
22-4 14-12
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kansas State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +12.90 76 63 86 # 3 # 10 # 68 # 17
Sagarin Predictor +12.80 75 63 91.5 # 4 # 10 # 67 # 17
Sagarin Golden Mean +13.59 76 62 # 2 # 10 # 65 # 17
Sagarin Recent Games +11.01 75 64 # 6 # 10 # 48 # 17
Sagarin Eigenvector +17.61 78 70 92
Massey +11.00 75 64 85 # 4 # 4 # 56 # 19
Pomeroy +11.05 76 65 # 5 # 3 # 56 # 11
Greenfield +12.00 77 65 # 5 # 8 # 63 # 29
Dunkel +18.50 83 65 # 9 # 85
Vegas (via Dunkel) +12.00 77 65
Dolphin Predictive +11.64 77 65 84.8 # 5 # 3 # 49 # 21
Real Time +21.00 86 65 87.9 # 4 # 3 #118 # 55
Seven Overtimes # 3 # 1 #138 # 32
DPPI +11.94 76 64 83.5 # 6 # 2 # 83 # 34
ESPN BPI +15.00 91.2 # 9 # 6 # 64 # 7
Whitlock +13.58 # 4 # 2 # 60 # 24
Colley Matrix +17.64 # 1 # 3 # 92 # 43
NCAA NET # 5 # 60
LRMC # 15* # #121* #
common opponents +13.00
Massey composite # 3 # 68
Pomeroy offense # 4 # 75
Pomeroy defense # 28 # 51
Pomeroy tempo # 84 #251
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +13.90 77.5 64.6 87.7
scatter 3.01 3.3 1.9 3.4
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is back to
where it started at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 22 Michigan State 87 74 +5.67 +7.33
HOME #218 Tarleton State 88 62 +24.66 +1.34
HOME #233 Stony Brook-NY 88 59 +25.65 +3.35
NEUT # 77 North Texas 71 59 +11.54 +0.46
NEUT # 51 Dayton 73 74 +8.97 -9.97
NEUT #103 Iona College 96 83 +13.61 -0.61
AWAY # 45 St. John's 95 75 +6.22 +13.78
HOME #176 UTEP 78 52 +22.01 +3.99
HOME #120 Missouri 102 65 +17.92 +19.08
HOME #127 Stephen F. Austin 80 72 +18.78 -10.78
HOME #118 Nevada 88 61 +17.80 +9.20
HOME #106 George Mason 76 67 +16.34 -7.34
AWAY # 46 Oklahoma State 74 63 +6.49 +4.51
AWAY # 13 Texas Tech 67 75 -0.33 -7.67
HOME # 52 Iowa State 62 61 +11.33 -10.33
HOME # 57 West Virginia 85 59 +11.87 +14.13
AWAY # 34 Oklahoma 67 64 +5.31 -2.31
AWAY # 67 Kansas State 78 75 +8.22 -5.22
HOME # 13 Texas Tech 94 91 +4.25 -1.25
HOME # 6 Kentucky 62 80 +2.64 -20.64
AWAY # 52 Iowa State 70 61 +6.75 +2.25
HOME # 3 Baylor 83 59 +2.25 +21.75
AWAY # 15 Texas 76 79 +1.28 -4.28
HOME # 34 Oklahoma 71 69 +9.89 -7.89
HOME # 46 Oklahoma State 76 62 +11.07 +2.93
AWAY # 57 West Virginia 71 58 +7.29 +5.71
HOME # 67 Kansas State +12.80 0.915
AWAY # 3 Baylor -2.33 0.409
AWAY # 56 TCU +7.17 0.767
HOME # 56 TCU +11.75 0.884
HOME # 15 Texas +5.86 0.734
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #324 Florida A&M 67 57 +22.04 -12.04
HOME #341 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 79 64 +24.16 -9.16
NEUT # 20 Arkansas 64 72 -5.96 -2.04
NEUT # 14 Illinois 64 72 -8.14 +0.14
HOME #340 North Dakota 84 42 +23.98 +18.02
HOME #268 Albany-NY 71 43 +17.70 +10.30
AWAY # 75 Wichita State 65 59 -1.38 +7.38
HOME # 37 Marquette 63 64 -0.55 -0.45
HOME #332 Green Bay 82 64 +22.58 -4.58
AWAY #136 Nebraska 67 58 +4.47 +4.53
HOME #316 McNeese State 74 59 +21.41 -6.41
AWAY # 34 Oklahoma 69 71 -5.20 +3.20
HOME # 15 Texas 57 70 -4.65 -8.35
AWAY # 57 West Virginia 68 71 -3.22 +0.22
HOME # 56 TCU 57 60 +1.24 -4.24
HOME # 13 Texas Tech 62 51 -6.26 +17.26
AWAY # 15 Texas 66 65 -9.23 +10.23
HOME # 4 Kansas 75 78 -8.22 +5.22
AWAY # 3 Baylor 49 74 -12.84 -12.16
AWAY # 83 Mississippi 56 67 -0.81 -10.19
HOME # 46 Oklahoma State 71 68 +0.56 +2.44
AWAY # 56 TCU 75 63 -3.34 +15.34
HOME # 3 Baylor 60 75 -8.26 -6.74
AWAY # 52 Iowa State 75 69 -3.76 +9.76
HOME # 57 West Virginia 78 73 +1.36 +3.64
AWAY # 46 Oklahoma State 79 82 -4.02 +1.02
AWAY # 4 Kansas -12.80 0.085
HOME # 52 Iowa State +0.82 0.531
AWAY # 13 Texas Tech -10.84 0.129
HOME # 34 Oklahoma -0.62 0.476
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