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2 years 9 months ago #28346
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Texas allows the fewest points in the Big 12 at just 55.6 per game. Some attribute
that to a stellar defense, but some of that has to do with their pace of the game.
Their defense *is* good, but only 9th-best among Division I teams, according to
Pomeroy (note that Pomeroy has Texas Tech with the 2nd-best defense in Division I,
and Kansas managed to score 67 against them in their crib, and 75 in Allen Field
House, in the 40 minutes of regulation). Meanwhile, the Longhorns' tempo is ranked
#347 by Pomeroy, and that's out of 358 teams, making Texas the 12th-slowest-playing
team in Division I.
Now, let's look at what other teams have done against the Longhorns. Gonzaga
scored 86 against Texas in the second game of the season. That's the most Texas
has given up, and it was a losing effort. The second-most allowed by Texas was
79 points to Iowa State in Ames, and that was also a losing effort. Third-most
was 77 points to Texas Tech in Lubbock, and that was another losing effort.
Fourth-most was 66 points to Kansas State, at home in Austin, and that was yet
again another losing effort. Fifth-most was 64 points at Seton Hall, another
losing effort. Tied for fifth-most with 64 points was the Oklahoma State game
in Stillwater, another losing effort. You have to get all the way down to the
seventh-most points allowed, 59 to West Virginia, at home in Austin, before you
find a game that Texas actually won. So they may hold opponents to low scores,
but they struggle to score themselves. If Kansas can score in the 60s, Texas
has yet to win a game when they've allowed that many points. And Kansas *is*
the Big 12's highest scoring team. It is worth noting that despite allowing
79 points to Iowa State in Ames, Texas held the Cyclones to just 41 points in
Austin on Saturday. The Cyclones were as cold as the weather in Texas over the
weekend.
The prognosticators are split over this game. RealTime has Texas by 5 points,
the most pessimistic of the lot, but RealTime is known to use a huge home court
advantage, so this particular prediction is not too surprising. But the BPI
has Texas by 2.2 points, the DPPI has Texas by 1.1 points, Massey has Texas by
1 point, Pomeroy has Texas by a quarter of a point, and Sagarin Recent Games has
Texas by a sixth of a point. The rest are picking Kansas, with Sagarin's
eigenvector analysis and Colley equally optimistic with a margin of 7.7 points
in favor of Kansas. But nowhere is the split is more obvious than it is with
Greenfield. A few hours ago, when I started preparing the data for this posting,
Greenfield had picked Texas by 1.5 points, but he's now got Kansas by a point!
I don't know if Dunkel screwed up again, or if he took notice of Saturday's
drubbing of Baylor and is predicting a repeat, but at of 14:30 UT, he has
Kansas by 26 points. I've computed the averages below without that outlier
prediction. But it would be nice. Dunkel has it as just 118 total points,
a full 5 points fewer than Texas games usually total, and 30 points fewer
than Kansas games usually total.
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Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats UT KU Defensive Stats UT KU
Points/Game 68.2 80.2 Opp Points/Game 54.9 67.8
Avg Score Margin +13.3 +12.4 Opp Effective FG % 45.1 47.4
Assists/Game 14.1 16.4 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.7 10.5
Total Rebounds/Gm 33.7 37.3 Def Rebounds/Gm 22.6 24.7
Effective FG % 51.9 55.4 Blocks/Game 3.4 4.2
Off Rebound % 30.7 34.2 Steals/Game 8.4 6.8
FTA/FGA 0.299 0.304 Personal Fouls/Gm 16.1 15.4
Turnover % 16.3 15.8
My Stats Comparison KU UT
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.72 +0.30
inconsistency 10.41 9.19
trend -0.15 ± 0.36 0.00 ± 0.30
mental toughness -0.17 ± 0.31 -0.14 ± 0.15
average total pts 147.95 123.13
Common Opponents
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There are six common opponents, all in conference, one of which Kansas has played
twice (Texas Tech), two of which Texas has played twice (Kansas State, Oklahoma State),
and one of which both have played twice (Iowa State), in which case I'll use only the
home-home and road-road permutations, giving us ten scores to compare:
KU +26 WVU at home (+22 neutral court)
UT +15 WVU at home (+11 neutral court)
KU +7 UT on road (+11 neutral court)
KU +3 KSU on road ( +7 neutral court) KU +3 KSU on road ( +7 neutral court)
UT +13 KSU on road (+17 neutral court) UT -1 KSU at home ( -5 neutral court)
KU -14 UT on road (-10 neutral court) KU +8 UT on road (+12 neutral court)
KU +11 OSU on road (+15 neutral court) KU +11 OSU on road (+15 neutral court)
UT -13 OSU on road ( -9 neutral court) UT +5 OSU at home ( +1 neutral court)
KU +20 UT on road (+24 neutral court) KU +10 UT on road (+14 neutral court)
KU +3 OU on road ( +7 neutral court)
UT +14 OU at home (+10 neutral court)
KU -7 UT on road ( -3 neutral court)
KU +9 ISU on road (+13 neutral court) KU +1 ISU at home ( -3 neutral court)
UT -9 ISU on road ( -5 neutral court) UT +22 ISU at home (+18 neutral court)
KU +14 UT on road (+18 neutral court) KU -25 UT on road (-21 neutral court)
KU -8 TTU on road ( -4 neutral court) KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral court)
UT -13 TTU on road ( -9 neutral court) UT -13 TTU on road ( -9 neutral court)
KU +1 UT on road ( +5 neutral court) KU +4 UT on road ( +8 neutral court)
The average is 1.80 points in favor of Kansas, with a scatter of 13.60 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Marcus Carr (guard)
most points Timmy Allen (forward)
most rebounds Timmy Allen (forward)
most assists Marcus Carr (guard)
most steals Andrew Jones (guard)
most blocks Dylan Disu (forward)
most turnovers Marcus Carr (guard)
most fouls two-way tie
19-3 17-6
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Texas
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall + 1.28 64 63 55 # 3 # 8 # 15 # 74
Sagarin Predictor + 1.05 64 63 54.3 # 4 # 8 # 16 # 74
Sagarin Golden Mean + 2.23 65 62 # 2 # 8 # 16 # 74
Sagarin Recent Games - 0.16 63 63 # 7 # 8 # 13 # 74
Sagarin Eigenvector + 7.67 67 60 76
Massey - 1.00 66 67 47 # 5 # 8 # 15 # 75
Pomeroy - 0.25 65 66 # 8 # 3 # 14 # 75
Greenfield + 1.00 68 67 # 6 # 6 # 15 # 24
Dunkel +26.00 72 46 # 9 # 20
Vegas (via Dunkel) + 1.50 68 67
Dolphin Predictive + 0.30 66 66 51.1 # 6 # 4 # 14 # 14
Real Time - 5.00 73 78 39.6 # 1 # 2 # 22 #118
Seven Overtimes + 1.00 68 67 75 # 2 # 1 # 39 # 76
DPPI - 1.10 68 69 46.5 # 6 # 2 # 14 # 77
ESPN BPI - 2.20 41.2 # 10 # 7 # 16 # 50
Whitlock + 2.97 # 6 # 2 # 19 # 72
Colley Matrix + 7.66 # 2 # 2 # 37 # 84
NCAA NET # 8 # 15
LRMC # 15* # # 28* #
common opponents + 1.80
Massey composite # 4 # 16
Pomeroy offense # 3 # 42
Pomeroy defense # 30 # 9
Pomeroy tempo # 79 #347
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average + 1.10 66.5 66.0 54.0
scatter 3.09 2.6 4.4 13.3
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is back to where it
started at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
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NEUT # 21 Michigan State 87 74 +5.19 +7.81
HOME #210 Tarleton State 88 62 +24.59 +1.41
HOME #219 Stony Brook-NY 88 59 +25.10 +3.90
NEUT # 86 North Texas 71 59 +12.37 -0.37
NEUT # 59 Dayton 73 74 +10.29 -11.29
NEUT # 99 Iona College 96 83 +13.67 -0.67
AWAY # 66 St. John's 95 75 +8.33 +11.67
HOME #164 UTEP 78 52 +22.17 +3.83
HOME #117 Missouri 102 65 +18.42 +18.58
HOME #124 Stephen F. Austin 80 72 +19.41 -11.41
HOME #122 Nevada 88 61 +19.15 +7.85
HOME #103 George Mason 76 67 +16.71 -7.71
AWAY # 51 Oklahoma State 74 63 +7.08 +3.92
AWAY # 12 Texas Tech 67 75 -0.43 -7.57
HOME # 50 Iowa State 62 61 +11.90 -10.90
HOME # 49 West Virginia 85 59 +11.86 +14.14
AWAY # 39 Oklahoma 67 64 +5.69 -2.69
AWAY # 64 Kansas State 78 75 +8.29 -5.29
HOME # 12 Texas Tech 94 91 +4.71 -1.71
HOME # 7 Kentucky 62 80 +3.17 -21.17
AWAY # 50 Iowa State 70 61 +6.76 +2.24
HOME # 6 Baylor 83 59 +2.76 +21.24
AWAY # 16 Texas +1.05 0.543
HOME # 39 Oklahoma +10.83 0.843
HOME # 51 Oklahoma State +12.22 0.875
AWAY # 49 West Virginia +6.72 0.772
HOME # 64 Kansas State +13.43 0.915
AWAY # 6 Baylor -2.38 0.411
AWAY # 58 TCU +7.60 0.764
HOME # 58 TCU +12.74 0.886
HOME # 16 Texas +6.19 0.736
Here is Texas' season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #352 Houston Baptist 92 48 +33.71 +10.29
AWAY # 1 Gonzaga 74 86 -10.38 -1.62
HOME #206 Northern Colorado 62 49 +20.76 -7.76
HOME #281 San Jose State 79 45 +25.79 +8.21
HOME #224 California Baptist 68 44 +21.68 +2.32
HOME #188 Sam Houston State 73 57 +19.53 -3.53
HOME #287 UTRGV 88 58 +26.26 +3.74
AWAY # 27 Seton Hall 60 64 +0.40 -4.40
HOME #355 Ark.-Pine Bluff 63 31 +35.73 -3.73
NEUT # 90 Stanford 60 53 +9.08 -2.08
HOME #319 Alabama State 68 48 +28.68 -8.68
HOME #349 Incarnate Word 78 33 +33.19 +11.81
HOME # 49 West Virginia 74 59 +8.24 +6.76
AWAY # 64 Kansas State 70 57 +4.67 +8.33
AWAY # 51 Oklahoma State 51 64 +3.46 -16.46
HOME # 39 Oklahoma 66 52 +7.21 +6.79
AWAY # 50 Iowa State 70 79 +3.14 -12.14
HOME # 64 Kansas State 65 66 +9.81 -10.81
HOME # 51 Oklahoma State 56 51 +8.60 -3.60
AWAY # 58 TCU 73 50 +3.98 +19.02
HOME # 13 Tennessee 52 51 +1.22 -0.22
AWAY # 12 Texas Tech 64 77 -4.05 -8.95
HOME # 50 Iowa State 63 41 +8.28 +13.72
HOME # 4 Kansas -1.05 0.457
AWAY # 6 Baylor -6.00 0.274
AWAY # 39 Oklahoma +2.07 0.580
HOME # 12 Texas Tech +1.09 0.545
HOME # 58 TCU +9.12 0.819
AWAY # 49 West Virginia +3.10 0.645
HOME # 6 Baylor -0.86 0.466
AWAY # 4 Kansas -6.19 0.264
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2 years 9 months ago #28347
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
This will be the first game involving Jerrance Howard for the burnt orange. As you'll recall, he left KU and Self for Texas and Beard over the off-season, in what was a lateral move. I suspect he will be the guy on the UT staff who prepared tonight's scouting report, since he was an assistant at KU for many years and presumably knows Self's tendencies inside and out.
Just an added wrinkle to tonight's game that hasn't been there before. I suspect it will add a little extra juice to this one for Self. Hope the guys come out of Austin with a win - this is one of the 4 truly tough games left on our schedule, and would go a long way toward advancing KU's path to the league title (outright or shared).
Just an added wrinkle to tonight's game that hasn't been there before. I suspect it will add a little extra juice to this one for Self. Hope the guys come out of Austin with a win - this is one of the 4 truly tough games left on our schedule, and would go a long way toward advancing KU's path to the league title (outright or shared).
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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2 years 9 months ago #28351
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The Howard move was bizarre/fascinating to me. At first I thought he was leaving to put distance between himself and any KU recruiting wrongdoings, as he's been at the center of our recruiting for several years (including most of the guys we've had issues with). But then, why would TX take someone who might be involved in that mess, particularly from a school in its own conference.
Then I look at Hudy going to UT, and then Howard. Maybe UT just has the $$ to cherry pick the best from KU to improve their program, and to get an inside scoop advantage to KU's and Self's mindset. Maybe UT is actually a stepping stone for KU folks to move to a larger program with more resources.
I think Hudy may already be gone, so not sure that worked out for her, and we'll see how things go for Howard.
Either way, TX taking our people in the same conference is just strange.
Then I look at Hudy going to UT, and then Howard. Maybe UT just has the $$ to cherry pick the best from KU to improve their program, and to get an inside scoop advantage to KU's and Self's mindset. Maybe UT is actually a stepping stone for KU folks to move to a larger program with more resources.
I think Hudy may already be gone, so not sure that worked out for her, and we'll see how things go for Howard.
Either way, TX taking our people in the same conference is just strange.
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2 years 9 months ago #28353
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
I was never a Jerrance Howard fan. I think he was a really weak link in the coaching staff. Joe Dooley was the stud and Kurtis Townsend is right there as well. I personally think Jeremy Case is a stud and possibly a future super stud. Q is also a stud. I think Norm is decent but it seems to me our bigs have not developed quite as much under him as under Danny. I don't really have an opinion on Danny as an HC but he was a fantastic assistant. I like our coaching staff now. I hope we can keep them all together for awhile.
Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
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2 years 9 months ago #28356
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This may rile some feathers, but I've had reasons to interact professionally with Danny several times since he left KU, and have found him to be stand offish, bordering on unfriendly. He may just be shy or reserved, but there wasn't much about him that inspired me to want to work with him. That would certainly play into his recruiting ability as a head coach. I still have nothing but wonderful memories of him as a player though, and believe he was a sure thing hall of famer but for his knee injuries.
I wonder if his fairly average career as a head coach may be due to that personality, while his success at KU with the bigs was him being able to focus on skill development and not so much on being the face/personality of the program.
Regardless, I'd love to see him return to Self's staff and coach up our bigs.
I wonder if his fairly average career as a head coach may be due to that personality, while his success at KU with the bigs was him being able to focus on skill development and not so much on being the face/personality of the program.
Regardless, I'd love to see him return to Self's staff and coach up our bigs.
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2 years 9 months ago #28357
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As of 21:30 UT, Dunkel has NOT made any change to his prediction of Kansas by 26. That would make the score 72 to 46 for his prediction of 118 total points.
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