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2 years 10 months ago #28039
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Oklahoma State did not play on Saturday due to COVID protocol within its program.
The postponement was announced on December 27, so a game on January 4 would be
eight days later, more than the five day quarantine now being recommended by the
CDC, so I assume that is the reason why the Kansas game was not also postponed.
However, it's always possible that Jayhawks will test positive (Pettiford already
has, but isolated before spreading it to teammates, based on their negative tests;
still, I worry about negative tests meaning only that the virus hasn't had enough
time to replicate to detectable levels, so the status of the rest of the team could
change at any time).
The Cowboys have played 11 games, but above expectation in only four of them, and
by enough to overcome the predicted margin for today's game only twice, corresponding
to an 18.2 percent chance of beating the Jayhawks. Meanwhile, Kansas has played
three games below expectation by enough to squander their 6.7 point margin, according
to the Sagarin Predictor ratings, one of them being the most recent game against
George Mason. Out of 12 games, that corresponds to a 25 percent chance of losing to
the Cowboys. Those two average to 21.6 percent, somewhat less than the 26.8 percent
chance of losing indicated by the ratings and inconsistencies.
Speaking of inconsistency, Oklahoma State is more inconsistent than the national
average, and comparable to George Mason. Kansas is close to average in inconsistency.
Looking at the various prognostications, I have to shake my head at Dunkel, who has
been at this business the longest, so he should have his act together, but for the
second game in a row, he's posted a ridiculous margin in favor of Kansas, namely
66.5 points. Who knows how long it will be before he fixes the error. Meanwhile,
RealTime has found yet another way to demonstrate that he's not ready for PrimeTime.
The web page where he shows the entire schedule for Kansas has today's game as a
one-point victory for Kansas, 81 to 80, but if you click on the link for this
specific game, it shows Kansas as a one-point loser, 79 to 80. Most of the
predictions fall in the 5 to 10 point range, with Sagarin's eigenvector analysis
being the most favorable at 13.3 points (not counting Dunkel's erroneous posting).
The most pessimistic is Massey's 3 point margin (not counting RealTime's inconsistent
margin). The average (not including Dunkel) is 6.2 points.
Sagarin is calling for almost 152 total points, while Vegas has it at 148 points.
Both are higher than the average of the two teams' scoring totals of 146.7 points.
The Cowboys haven't played in a while, so they could be rusty. I'd take the under
again.
The Cowboys do have a negative trend of some statistical significance. Taken at
face value, the trends would increase the margin for Kansas to 10.9 points.
However, historically Kansas hasn't played particularly well in Stillwater, which
argues for a margin in the single digits. It will be interesting to see what the
effect is of starting Lightfoot instead of McCormack. Another issue is the status
of Remy Martin's knee. His absence against George Mason may have been responsible
for the below-expectation performance. No word as of this writing whether he'll
be able to play or not.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 74.9 85.2 Opp Points/Game 66.5 66.9
Avg Score Margin +8.5 +18.3 Opp Effective FG % 45.5 49.5
Assists/Game 13.9 17.2 Off Rebounds/Gm 11.1 10.4
Total Rebounds/Gm 38.5 35.6 Def Rebounds/Gm 24.5 23.7
Effective FG % 50.2 57.7 Blocks/Game 6.3 4.3
Off Rebound % 33.8 34.0 Steals/Game 10.8 7.9
FTA/FGA 0.385 0.325 Personal Fouls/Gm 18.8 15.6
Turnover % 19.0 13.9
My Stats Comparison KU OSU
=================== ============= ============
performance +1.21 -0.46
inconsistency 9.16 12.34
trend -0.37 ± 0.79 -1.50 ± 1.13
mental toughness +0.07 ± 0.45 -0.39 ± 0.45
average total pts 152.08 141.36
Common Opponents
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None
Players to Watch
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most minutes Isaac Likekele (guard)
most points Avery Anderson III (guard)
most rebounds Moussa Cisse (forward)
most assists Isaac Likekele (guard)
most steals Bryce Williams (guard)
most blocks two-way tie
most turnovers Avery Anderson III (guard)
most fouls Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe (forward)
Guard Chris Harris Jr. is still recovering from surgery to repair a torn ACL.
11-1 7-4
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma St.
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall + 7.20 79 72 74 # 3 # 76 # 46 #135
Sagarin Predictor + 6.72 79 72 73.2 # 2 # 76 # 43 #135
Sagarin Golden Mean + 8.01 80 72 # 3 # 76 # 53 #135
Sagarin Recent Games + 9.85 81 71 # 3 # 76 # 93 #135
Sagarin Eigenvector +13.30 82 69 86
Massey + 3.00 75 72 57 # 8 # 40 # 44 # 48
Pomeroy + 6.94 75 69 # 4 # 92 # 52 #140
Greenfield + 6.50 76 70 # 6 # 30 # 36 # 49
Dunkel + . # 16 # 49
Vegas (via Dunkel) + 6.50 77 71
Dolphin Predictive + 5.60 77 71 68.3 # 10 # 30 # 59 # 54
Real Time - 1.00 79 80 48.1 # 2 # 31 # 75 # 50
Seven Overtimes + 7.00 77 70 76 # 1 # 16 # 60 # 54
DPPI +10.40 78 68 80.9 # 5 # 34 # 58 # 73
ESPN BPI + 5.00 67.5 # 9 #128 # 52 #127
Whitlock + 7.94 # 4 # 26 # 66 # 29
Colley Matrix + 8.16 # 4 # 23 # 74 # 35
NCAA NET # 8 # 73
LRMC # 15* # # 26* #
common opponents + .
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average + 6.17 78.1 71.3 70.1
scatter 3.72 2.2 2.9 11.7
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is 26-5,
with the TCU home game moved to the end of the schedule given its currently
unknown date:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 16 Michigan State 87 74 +4.60 +8.40
HOME #188 Tarleton State 88 62 +24.22 +1.78
HOME #193 Stony Brook-NY 88 59 +24.30 +4.70
NEUT # 74 North Texas 71 59 +12.56 -0.56
NEUT # 85 Dayton 73 74 +13.20 -14.20
NEUT #100 Iona College 96 83 +14.22 -1.22
AWAY # 67 St. John's 95 75 +8.81 +11.19
HOME #173 UTEP 78 52 +23.53 +2.47
HOME #161 Missouri 102 65 +22.71 +14.29
HOME #135 Stephen F. Austin 80 72 +20.94 -12.94
HOME #107 Nevada 88 61 +18.40 +8.60
HOME # 97 George Mason 76 67 +17.05 -8.05
AWAY # 43 Oklahoma State +6.72 0.732
AWAY # 24 Texas Tech +2.87 0.614
HOME # 50 Iowa State +13.61 0.894
HOME # 39 West Virginia +11.92 0.921
AWAY # 36 Oklahoma +4.89 0.669
AWAY # 73 Kansas State +9.41 0.854
HOME # 24 Texas Tech +9.03 0.818
HOME # 9 Kentucky +5.82 0.717
AWAY # 50 Iowa State +7.45 0.753
HOME # 3 Baylor +3.32 0.646
AWAY # 17 Texas +1.60 0.577
HOME # 36 Oklahoma +11.05 0.838
HOME # 43 Oklahoma State +12.88 0.882
AWAY # 39 West Virginia +5.76 0.753
HOME # 73 Kansas State +15.57 0.959
AWAY # 3 Baylor -2.84 0.374
AWAY # 56 TCU +7.96 0.803
HOME # 17 Texas +7.76 0.826
HOME # 56 TCU +14.12 0.935
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #221 UT Arlington 88 45 +16.41 +26.59
HOME #127 Oakland-Mich. 55 56 +10.30 -11.30
HOME #297 Prairie View A&M 72 59 +21.33 -8.33
HOME #228 UMass Lowell 80 58 +16.78 +5.22
NEUT #112 NC State 74 68 +5.82 +0.18
HOME #175 College of Charleston 96 66 +13.77 +16.23
AWAY #130 Oral Roberts 78 77 +4.37 -3.37
HOME # 70 Wichita State 51 60 +5.65 -14.65
HOME # 22 Xavier-Ohio 71 77 -0.94 -5.06
HOME #172 Cleveland State 98 93 +13.63 -8.63
NEUT # 5 Houston 61 72 -9.09 -1.91
HOME # 2 Kansas -6.72 0.268
HOME # 17 Texas -2.04 0.420
AWAY # 39 West Virginia -4.04 0.347
AWAY # 24 Texas Tech -6.93 0.274
AWAY # 3 Baylor -12.64 0.117
HOME # 56 TCU +4.32 0.653
AWAY # 17 Texas -8.20 0.209
HOME # 50 Iowa State +3.81 0.621
AWAY # 27 Florida -6.32 0.294
AWAY # 73 Kansas State -0.39 0.485
HOME # 36 Oklahoma +1.25 0.539
AWAY # 56 TCU -1.84 0.434
HOME # 39 West Virginia +2.12 0.582
AWAY # 2 Kansas -12.88 0.118
HOME # 73 Kansas State +5.77 0.706
HOME # 3 Baylor -6.48 0.271
AWAY # 36 Oklahoma -4.91 0.349
AWAY # 50 Iowa State -2.35 0.425
HOME # 24 Texas Tech -0.77 0.473
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2 years 10 months ago #28042
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From an erroneous 66.5 point margin all the way down to a 2.5 point margin,
courtesy of Dunkel. But the update also caused me to notice that the common
opponent field wasn't fully blank, so it was being read in as a zero, thus lowering
the average. It's now at 6.7 points.
11-1 7-4
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma St.
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall + 7.20 79 72 74 # 3 # 76 # 46 #135
Sagarin Predictor + 6.72 79 72 73.2 # 2 # 76 # 43 #135
Sagarin Golden Mean + 8.01 80 72 # 3 # 76 # 53 #135
Sagarin Recent Games + 9.85 81 71 # 3 # 76 # 93 #135
Sagarin Eigenvector +13.30 82 69 86
Massey + 3.00 75 72 57 # 8 # 40 # 44 # 48
Pomeroy + 6.94 75 69 # 4 # 92 # 52 #140
Greenfield + 6.50 76 70 # 6 # 30 # 36 # 49
Dunkel + 2.50 76 74 # 16 # 49
Vegas (via Dunkel) + 6.50 77 71
Dolphin Predictive + 5.60 77 71 68.3 # 10 # 30 # 59 # 54
Real Time - 1.00 79 80 48.1 # 2 # 31 # 75 # 50
Seven Overtimes + 7.00 77 70 76 # 1 # 16 # 60 # 54
DPPI +10.40 78 68 80.9 # 5 # 34 # 58 # 73
ESPN BPI + 5.00 67.5 # 9 #128 # 52 #127
Whitlock + 7.94 # 4 # 26 # 66 # 29
Colley Matrix + 8.16 # 4 # 23 # 74 # 35
NCAA NET # 8 # 73
LRMC # 15* # # 26* #
common opponents
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average + 6.68 77.9 71.5 70.1
scatter 3.24 2.2 2.9 11.7
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