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predictions for St. John's game
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2 years 11 months ago #27829
by asteroid
Kansas and St. John's have identical 5-1 records. The Kansas record was earned
against the #89 schedule, while St. John's record was built against the #355
schedule, and that is out of 358 Division I teams. The only real test for the
Red Storm was at Indiana, where they lost by just 2 points, playing 4.56 points
above expectation in the process. They opened against the worst team in
Division I and crushed Mississippi Valley State by 58 points, playing more than
23 points above expectation. Yet against an almost equally weak St. Francis
squad, they played over 16 points below expectation. So the question is, which
St. John's team will show up to play on Friday?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: RealTime is not ready for Prime
Time. Usually RealTime uses an enormous home court advantage, and if that is
still the case, then the predicted 23 point win for Kansas is that much harder
to understand. That's the most optimistic prediction by a factor of two.
Sagarin's eigenvector analysis is the only other margin in double digits.
The rest all pick Kansas to win, though Dunkel has it by a single point, as
does Seven Overtimes. A 1-point margin suggests a nearly 50 percent
probability of winning the game, yet Seven Overtimes has Kansas at having a
72 percent chance of winning the game. Very strange. Or is his "confidence"
defined differently? The BPI is close behind with Kansas favored by a mere
2 points.
The average margin is 6.5 points, precisely in line with Vegas and Greenfield,
who agree with each other more often than not. St. John's has played higher
scoring games, but against weak competition. Their game with Indiana was in
the 70s. I'll be surprised if Kansas doesn't reach the 80 point mark.
Hey, after the St. John's game is finished, head over to ESPN+ and catch
the volleyball team in the second round of the NCAA Tournament against the
Creighton Blue Jays. Kansas swept a ranked Oregon team in the first round
yesterday, while Creighton swept Ole Miss. Oregon was actually ranked a
spot ahead of Creighton, though Oregon was only 22-8 while Creighton was
30-3. And Creighton is hosting the sub-regional, so they'll have the
home court advantage, but the Jayhawks are on a roll at the moment, so I'd
say it should be a decent match. Hoops at 6 p.m. Central, and volleyball
at 7 p.m. Central, so a fair bit of overlap. Split screen, anyone?
Picture in picture mode?
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats St.J KU Defensive Stats St.J KU
Points/Game 87.3 81.4 Opp Points/Game 69.8 65.6
Avg Score Margin +17.5 +15.8 Opp Effective FG % 47.3 48.0
Assists/Game 21.5 16.0 Off Rebounds/Gm 10.8 9.0
Total Rebounds/Gm 38.5 33.8 Def Rebounds/Gm 25.5 23.8
Effective FG % 57.0 57.3 Blocks/Game 6.3 4.2
Off Rebound % 33.7 29.0 Steals/Game 10.2 6.8
FTA/FGA 0.325 0.297 Personal Fouls/Gm 16.8 14.2
Turnover % 17.6 12.8
My Stats Comparison KU St.J
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.35 -0.04
inconsistency 8.05 14.51
trend -3.14 ± 1.47 -6.95 ± 1.72
mental toughness +0.06 ± 0.52 -0.16 ± 0.53
average total pts 152.33 157.17
Players to Watch
================
most minutes Julian Champagnie (guard)
most points Julian Champagnie (guard)
most rebounds Julian Champagnie (guard)
most assists Posh Alexander (guard)
most steals Posh Alexander (guard)
most blocks Joel Soriano (center)
most turnovers Posh Alexander (guard)
most fouls Joel Soriano (center)
Rafael Pinzon, a reserve guard eighth on the team in minutes played, didn't
play in the most recent game due to an injured finger. Unknown if he'll be
available to play against Kansas.
5-1 5-1
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas St. John's
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +5.96 83 77 71 # 4 # 89 # 54 #355
Sagarin Predictor +6.11 83 77 69.9 # 3 # 89 # 53 #355
Sagarin Golden Mean +5.70 83 77 # 4 # 89 # 55 #355
Sagarin Recent Games +5.24 83 78 # 7 # 89 # 71 #355
Sagarin Eigenvector +11.09 86 75 82
Massey +4.00 81 77 64 # 21 # 53 # 67 #285
Pomeroy +6.82 81 74 # 5 # 97 # 55 #356
Greenfield +6.50 82 75 # 10 # 21 # 54 #157
Dunkel +1.00 77 76 # 28 # 45
Vegas (via Dunkel) +6.50 82 75
Dolphin Predictive +7.24 87 80 71.5 # 10 # 12 # 80 #250
Real Time +23.00 90 67 97.5 # 3 #122 #167 #353
Seven Overtimes +1.00 78 77 72 # 6 # 18 # 78 #352
DPPI +9.20 77 # # # 85 #332
ESPN BPI +2.10 57.4 # 7 # 90 # 49 #301
Whitlock +2.02* # 19* # # 63* #
Colley Matrix +3.31 # 33 #131 #101 #344
NCAA NET # 17* # 69*
LRMC # 15* # # 46* #
common opponents
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +6.54 82.8 75.8 73.6
scatter 5.17 3.3 3.1 11.4
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is back to
where it started, namely 25-6:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 16 Michigan State 87 74 +3.01 +9.99
HOME #211 Tarleton State 88 62 +24.43 +1.57
HOME #175 Stony Brook-NY 88 59 +22.40 +6.60
NEUT # 99 North Texas 71 59 +13.27 -1.27
NEUT # 86 Dayton 73 74 +12.23 -13.23
NEUT #113 Iona College 96 83 +14.56 -1.56
AWAY # 53 St. John's +6.11 0.699
HOME #174 UTEP +22.39 0.990
HOME #151 Missouri +20.96 0.985
HOME #143 Stephen F. Austin +20.11 0.982
AWAY # 65 Colorado +6.92 0.764
HOME #120 Harvard +19.00 0.976
HOME #100 TCU +16.83 0.960
AWAY # 40 Oklahoma State +4.22 0.669
AWAY # 23 Texas Tech +0.76 0.531
HOME # 82 Iowa State +15.25 0.943
HOME # 50 West Virginia +12.34 0.900
AWAY # 35 Oklahoma +3.51 0.642
AWAY # 98 Kansas State +9.65 0.842
HOME # 23 Texas Tech +7.76 0.790
HOME # 17 Kentucky +7.04 0.767
AWAY # 82 Iowa State +8.25 0.804
HOME # 4 Baylor +3.63 0.647
AWAY # 13 Texas -0.64 0.474
HOME # 35 Oklahoma +10.51 0.862
HOME # 40 Oklahoma State +11.22 0.878
AWAY # 50 West Virginia +5.34 0.710
HOME # 98 Kansas State +16.65 0.958
AWAY # 4 Baylor -3.37 0.363
AWAY #100 TCU +9.83 0.846
HOME # 13 Texas +6.36 0.745
Here is St. John's season-to-date:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #358 MVSU(Miss. Valley St.) 119 61 +34.30 +23.70
HOME #217 Saint Peter's 91 70 +15.06 +5.94
AWAY # 33 Indiana 74 76 -6.56 +4.56
HOME #320 Fairleigh Dickinson 87 74 +22.21 -9.21
HOME #326 St. Francis-NY 76 70 +22.58 -16.58
HOME #251 NJIT(New Jersey Tech) 77 68 +17.65 -8.65
HOME # 3 Kansas -6.11 0.301
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2 years 11 months ago #27834
by bklynhawk
Asteroid thanks so much for this prediction and your commentary.
I'll be going tonight! BTW, my kids went to school with the Champagnies (Julian and Justin [currently has a two-way contract with Toronto Raptors]). Their grandmother was my son's nanny. So, I'll be rooting for KU and hoping Julian has a good game. My son and I caught the St. John/St. Francis game last week. Red Storm is competitive and doesn't give up.
I'll be going tonight! BTW, my kids went to school with the Champagnies (Julian and Justin [currently has a two-way contract with Toronto Raptors]). Their grandmother was my son's nanny. So, I'll be rooting for KU and hoping Julian has a good game. My son and I caught the St. John/St. Francis game last week. Red Storm is competitive and doesn't give up.
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2 years 11 months ago #27836
by Wheatstate Gal
Lead the chant, bklynhawk! Loud and clear so we home viewers can hear!
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