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3 years 8 months ago #26745
by asteroid
The road to the Elite Eight now goes through the Pac 12, which happens to be
undefeated so far in this tournament, while #3 seeds from the Big 12 are
an endangered species. That doesn't bode well for Kansas. However...
Southern Cal has played only 3 games against the Sagarin Top 25 and lost all
three. They are 5-5 against the Sagarin Top 50. Meanwhile, Kansas is 6-7
against the Sagarin Top 25. So, how does Sagarin explain his eigenvector
analysis, which has the Trojans winning by 8.6 points? His other methods
all pick Kansas, though three are one-possession affairs. The Recent Games
method is the most favorable at 5.5 points.
[N.B. The above was written after the Sagarin ratings from the Round of 64
were released. Oregon has since moved up to #25, while Oklahoma State has
moved down to #28, changing those records to 1-3 for USC and 5-6 for Kansas.]
Another head-scratcher is Greenfield's prediction. He has Kansas ranked
#11 and Southern Cal at #17. The rating values are 16.9 for Kansas and
16.4 for Southern Cal. So why is USC favored by 1.5 points? Does he know
what Wilson's status is for the game, or is he simply ignoring his own
ranking and going with what Vegas says?
[N.B. The above was written yesterday, and Greenfield has since reduced the
margin for USC to just 1.0 points.]
The reverse situation appears with Dolphin. His Predictive method has USC
ranked #8 and Kansas at #15, but he favors Kansas by a point. His Standard,
Median Likelihood, and Improved RPI methods also have USC ranked higher.
Kansas has a slight edge in regular RPI (#11 to #13) and in Pairwise (#8 to
#11). He notes that Pairwise is used by the selection committee for hockey.
Ditto for ESPN's BPI. USC is #17 while Kansas is #20, yet the prediction
has Kansas by 0.4 points.
The average favors USC, but by a mere 0.1 points. Overtime, anyone? The
scatter is 3.2 points.
USC has Pomeroy's #8 defense, while after giving up 84 points to Eastern
Washington, Kansas has slid to #10. Expect a low-scoring defensive contest.
USC does have Pomeroy's #22 offense, while Kansas languishes at #49.
USC's trend and mental toughness values are effectively zero, while Kansas
has a positive trend and a negative mental toughness rating. Everything
pretty much cancels out. Two evenly matched teams.
Win today, and Kansas would face Oregon next weekend in the Sweet Sixteen,
for which the current ratings would favor Kansas by a couple of points.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats USC KU Defensive Stats USC KU
Points/Game 74.7 73.2 Opp Points/Game 64.8 66.8
Avg Score Margin +9.9 +6.4 Opp Effective FG % 45.0 47.4
Assists/Game 13.9 13.9 Off Rebounds/Gm 10.4 10.1
Total Rebounds/Gm 39.3 37.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 25.8 24.9
Effective FG % 52.2 50.0 Blocks/Game 5.3 4.0
Off Rebound % 33.2 30.0 Steals/Game 4.7 6.8
FTA/FGA 0.371 0.302 Personal Fouls/Gm 15.3 15.5
Turnover % 15.0 14.9
Kansas has the advantage in only one of the eight offensive categories and in
only one of the seven defensive categories.
My Stats Comparison KU USC
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.05 +2.01
inconsistency 11.07 11.50
trend +0.13 ± 0.26 -0.02 ± 0.25
mental toughness -0.30 ± 0.24 +0.02 ± 0.35
average total pts 140.07 139.47
Common Opponents
================
There are no common opponents. That was easy.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Evan Mobley (forward)
most points Evan Mobley (forward)
most rebounds Evan Mobley (forward)
most assists Ethan Anderson (guard)
most steals Isaiah White (guard)
most blocks Evan Mobley (forward)
most turnovers Evan Mobley (forward)
most fouls Isaiah Mobley (forward)
Wilson has arrived in Indianapolis and is expected to play. For how many
minutes is hard to predict. McCormack was able to go for quite a few more
minutes than expected.
[N.B. These predictions were mostly compiled on Sunday after the results of
Saturday's games were included in the various ratings. Sagarin's have changed
slightly, uniformly shrinking.]
21-8 23-7
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Southern Cal
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +1.40 68 67 55 # 9 # 18 # 18 # 62
Sagarin Predictor +0.78 68 67 52.8 # 13 # 18 # 20 # 62
Sagarin Golden Mean +1.70 69 67 # 9 # 18 # 18 # 62
Sagarin Recent Games +5.49 70 65 # 8 # 18 # 28 # 62
Sagarin Eigenvector -8.61 63 72 22
Massey +1.00 69 68 52 # 9 # 32 # 13 # 44
Pomeroy -1.94 63 65 # 18 # 23 # 9 # 47
Greenfield -1.00 67 68 # 11 # 9 # 17 # 48
Dunkel +4.50 68 63 # 21 # 17
Vegas (via Dunkel) -1.50 66 68
Dolphin Predictive +0.99 68 67 53.6 # 15 # 13 # 8 # 30
Real Time -4.00 62 66 42.9 # 18 # 19 # 13 # 43
Seven Overtimes +2.00 69 67 55 # 44 # 7 # 8 # 65
DPPI -1.10 69 70 46.6 # 12 # 23 # 11 # 38
ESPN BPI +0.40 51.8 # 20 # 33 # 17 # 65
Whitlock -1.83 # 19 # 41 # 9 # 33
Colley Matrix -0.41 # 16 # 18 # 13 # 54
NCAA NET # 11 # 19
LRMS # 15 # 24 # 9 # 39
common opponents
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average -0.13 67.1 67.1 48.0
scatter 3.20 2.6 2.2 10.5
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is now 22-9:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga 90 102 -7.94 -4.06
NEUT #205 Saint Joseph's-Pa. 94 72 +19.31 +2.69
NEUT # 47 Kentucky 65 62 +4.95 -1.95
Div2 Washburn 89 54
HOME #159 North Dakota State 65 61 +17.68 -13.68
HOME # 18 Creighton 73 72 +2.71 -1.71
HOME #291 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 95 50 +26.72 +18.28
AWAY # 15 Texas Tech 58 57 -1.68 +2.68
HOME # 19 West Virginia 79 65 +2.83 +11.17
HOME # 22 Texas 59 84 +3.69 -28.69
AWAY #109 TCU 93 64 +9.34 +19.66
HOME # 33 Oklahoma 63 59 +5.05 -1.05
AWAY # 30 Oklahoma State 70 75 +0.61 -5.61
AWAY # 2 Baylor 69 77 -7.64 -0.36
AWAY # 33 Oklahoma 68 75 +0.93 -7.93
HOME #109 TCU 59 51 +13.46 -5.46
AWAY # 16 Tennessee 61 80 -1.57 -17.43
HOME #140 Kansas State 74 51 +16.51 +6.49
AWAY # 19 West Virginia 79 91 -1.29 -10.71
HOME # 30 Oklahoma State 78 66 +4.73 +7.27
HOME #137 Iowa State 97 64 +16.19 +16.81
AWAY #137 Iowa State 64 50 +12.07 +1.93
AWAY #140 Kansas State 59 41 +12.39 +5.61
HOME # 15 Texas Tech 67 61 +2.44 +3.56
AWAY # 22 Texas 72 75 -0.43 -2.57
HOME # 2 Baylor 71 58 -3.52 +16.52
HOME #148 UTEP 67 62 +17.00 -12.00
NEUT # 33 Oklahoma 69 62 +2.99 +4.01
NEUT #105 Eastern Washington 93 84 +11.16 -2.16
NEUT # 20 Southern California +0.78 0.528
NEUT # 25 Oregon +2.41 0.586
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga -7.94 0.236
NEUT # 6 Michigan -3.41 0.379
NEUT # 2 Baylor -5.58 0.297
Here is Southern California's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #240 California Baptist 95 87 +22.80 -14.80
HOME #180 Montana 76 62 +19.05 -5.05
NEUT # 26 BYU 79 53 +1.65 +24.35
NEUT # 27 Connecticut 58 61 +1.67 -4.67
HOME #125 UC Irvine 91 56 +14.31 +20.69
HOME #156 Santa Clara 86 63 +16.76 +6.24
HOME # 9 Colorado 62 72 +1.01 -11.01
HOME # 68 Utah 64 46 +9.02 +8.98
AWAY # 43 Arizona 87 73 +1.47 +12.53
AWAY # 81 Arizona State 73 64 +6.18 +2.82
HOME #145 UC Riverside 67 62 +16.08 -11.08
HOME #150 Washington 95 68 +16.28 +10.72
HOME # 95 Washington State 85 77 +11.86 -3.86
AWAY # 75 Oregon State 56 58 +5.60 -7.60
AWAY #129 California 76 68 +10.68 -2.68
HOME # 75 Oregon State 75 62 +9.72 +3.28
AWAY # 63 Stanford 72 66 +4.14 +1.86
HOME # 34 UCLA 66 48 +4.49 +13.51
AWAY #150 Washington 69 54 +12.16 +2.84
AWAY # 95 Washington State 76 65 +7.74 +3.26
HOME # 81 Arizona State 89 71 +10.30 +7.70
HOME # 43 Arizona 72 81 +5.59 -14.59
HOME # 25 Oregon 72 58 +3.69 +10.31
AWAY # 9 Colorado 62 80 -3.11 -14.89
AWAY # 68 Utah 61 71 +4.90 -14.90
HOME # 63 Stanford 79 42 +8.26 +28.74
AWAY # 34 UCLA 64 63 +0.37 +0.63
NEUT # 68 Utah 91 85 +6.96 -0.96
NEUT # 9 Colorado 70 72 -1.05 -0.95
NEUT # 69 Drake 72 56 +7.09 +8.91
NEUT # 13 Kansas -0.78 0.472
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