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8 years 10 months ago #1942
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For the TCU game, I wrote that it doesn't get any easier than this. Let's
hope it does.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 10.1 point margin, with an 85.5 percent probability of
winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 143.2 points per game,
that suggests a final score of Kansas 77, Oklahoma State 67. Kansas has been
playing 1.3 points above expectation, while Oklahoma State has been playing
0.2 points below expectation, which means that the margin for Kansas could be
11.5 points. Kansas now has a negative trend, thanks to squandering a 19 point
lead with under 5 minutes to play against the conference's cellar dwellar.
Meanwhile, Oklahoma State has a positive trend, though neither is statistically
significant. Ditto for Kansas' negative and Oklahoma State's positive mental
toughness ratings. Inconsistency values are similar for both teams. Kansas has
played just 2 of its 16 Division I games below expectation by more than 10.1
points, including its most recent game, corresponding to a 12.5 percent chance
of losing. Meanwhile, Oklahoma State has played just 2 of its 17 games above
expectation by more than 10.1 points, one of them being way back in the season
opener, corresponding to an 11.8 percent chance of winning. Those average to
a 12.1 percent chance of Kansas losing, a little less pessimistic than the
probability derived from the Sagarin ratings mentioned above.
Massey gives Kansas a 9.0 point margin, with a 79 percent probability of winning
the game. His projected final score is Kansas 77, Oklahoma State 68.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 11.0 units, as well as the
better adjusted defense by 6.3 units, which combine to a 17.3 units advantage for
Kansas. With an average of 69.0 possessions per game, the margin for Kansas works
out to 11.9 points on a neutral court. Subtract Sagarin's 3.3 point home court
advantage, and the margin becomes 8.6 points. The ratings suggest a score of
Kansas 75, Oklahoma State 67.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 9.5 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
projection of 76 to 67. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage
in seven of eight categories; Oklahoma State attempts more free throws per field
goal attempt. Among the key defensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in five of
seven categories; Oklahoma State holds opponents to few points per game and gets
more blocks per game.
Dunkel gives Kansas an 11.5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is at
9.0 points, so he is picking Kansas against the spread. With a total points
projection of 139, the implied final score is Kansas 75, Oklahoma State 64.
Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 143, which would imply a final score of
Kansas 76, Oklahoma State 67. Guess what? Dunkel finally updated his rankings.
Real Time is being inconsistent again. The schedule page gives Kansas a 10.0 point
margin with a final score of 83 to 73, while the Game Prediction Analysis page gives
Kansas a 9 point margin with a final score of 82 to 73. The probability of winning
the game is given as 67.6 percent.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there.
Dolphin gives Kansas an 8.8 point margin, with a 77.7 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 75, Oklahoma State 67.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 18.8 units in favor of Kansas, but we need to
calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling factor of 0.726
just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick with that value for
consistency purposes. That makes Kansas a 13.6 point favorite on a neutral court,
but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes
the favorite by 10.3 points.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 10.2 points in favor of
Kansas on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage,
and Kansas has a 6.9 point margin. What I'd like to know is why ESPN's BPI has
Oklahoma State with a stronger schedule than Kansas, when everybody else I track
has it the other way around, and not even close? The highest ranked non-conference
game played by the Cowboys was against #26 Florida. Meanwhile, Kansas played both
#7 Michigan State and #18 Vanderbilt.
Seven Overtimes gives Kansas a 7.0 point margin, corresponding to a 77 percent
probability of winning the game. The projected final score is 75 to 68.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 10.4 point margin.
DPPI gives Kansas a 12.0 point margin.
There are four common opponents, all in conference:
KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral)
OSU +21 TCU at home (+17 neutral)
KU -18 OSU on road (-14 neutral)
KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
OSU -17 BU on road (-13 neutral)
KU +33 OSU on road (+37 neutral)
KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral)
OSU -17 WV on road (-13 neutral)
KU +2 OSU on road ( +6 neutral)
KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
OSU -2 OU at home ( -6 neutral)
KU +1 OSU on road ( +5 neutral)
Three of the comparions favor Kansas, one favors Oklahoma State. Even if Kansas
had not squandered that 19 point lead late against TCU, Oklahoma State would come
out on top in that comparison. The Baylor comparison compensates, however. The
average is 4.5 points in favor of Kansas, the most pessimistic of the prognostications.
Players to watch: Guard Jawun Evans plays the most minutes and dishes the most assists,
but also commits the most turnovers. Guard Phil Forte III is their leading scorer, but is
likely out for the rest of the season; Evans is the leading scorer among the remaining players.
Guard Jeff Newberry is their leading rebounder and leading thief. Yes, you read that
right; a guard is their leading rebounder. In fact, their top four rebounders are all
guards! Forward Anthony Allen Jr. is their leading shot blocker. Mitchell Solomon grabs
the most rebounds of their forwards, but also commits the most personal fouls. Guard Davon
Dillard has been suspended indefinitely, but only averages 4 minutes a game.
The average of the various prognostications is 9.2 points in favor of Kansas. The
projected final score would be Kansas 76, Oklahoma State 67.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 2 # 14 # 3 # 1 # 4 +1.3 9.3 -0.11 +/- 0.52 -0.07 +/- 0.21
Oklahoma State # 85 #118 # 81 # 82 # 97 -0.2 9.7 +0.25 +/- 0.49 +0.15 +/- 0.20
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 4 # 5 # 2 # 16 # 1 # 4 # 2 # 1 # 7 # 4 # 6
Oklahoma State #117 # 69 # 82 #108 # 77 # 74 #104 #143 #131 #154 #144
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 5 # 5 # 4 # 5 # 4 # 1 # 5 1.050 15-2 # 2 # 17
Oklahoma State #141 #137 # 77 #153 #159 #139 #132 0.384 9-8 # 76 #147
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 5 # 6 # 2 # 33 # 9 # 66 # 9 # 17 # 3 # 19 # 3 # 3
Oklahoma State #132 # 90 # 89 # 55 # 82 # 59 # 80 # 60 #132 # 77 #105 # 39
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #310 Northern Colorado 109 72 +35.13 +1.87
NEUT # 7 Michigan State 73 79 +1.32 -7.32
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 60 UCLA 92 73 +11.86 +7.14
NEUT # 18 Vanderbilt 70 63 +3.78 +3.22
HOME #277 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +31.71 +1.29
HOME #107 Harvard 75 69 +19.63 -13.63
HOME #287 Holy Cross 92 59 +32.39 +0.61
HOME # 65 Oregon State 82 67 +15.56 -0.56
HOME #163 Montana 88 46 +23.61 +18.39
AWAY # 72 San Diego State 70 57 +9.25 +3.75
HOME # 85 UC Irvine 78 53 +16.98 +8.02
HOME # 25 Baylor 102 74 +9.54 +18.46
HOME # 6 Oklahoma 109 106 +4.54 -1.54
AWAY # 50 Texas Tech 69 59 +7.31 +2.69
AWAY # 2 West Virginia 63 74 -3.45 -7.55
HOME #128 TCU 70 63 +21.05 -14.05
AWAY # 81 Oklahoma State +10.06 0.855
HOME # 39 Texas +12.73 0.895
AWAY # 24 Iowa State +2.44 0.607
HOME # 31 Kentucky +10.72 0.854
HOME # 46 Kansas State +13.47 0.937
AWAY #128 TCU +14.37 0.931
HOME # 2 West Virginia +3.23 0.635
AWAY # 6 Oklahoma -2.14 0.403
HOME # 81 Oklahoma State +16.74 0.961
AWAY # 46 Kansas State +6.79 0.780
AWAY # 25 Baylor +2.86 0.607
HOME # 50 Texas Tech +13.99 0.962
AWAY # 39 Texas +6.05 0.724
HOME # 24 Iowa State +9.12 0.845
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #244 Tennessee-Martin 91 57 +15.69 +18.31
HOME #346 Ark.-Pine Bluff 86 72 +27.34 -13.34
NEUT #178 Towson 69 52 +7.98 +9.02
NEUT #190 George Mason 68 71 +9.15 -12.15
NEUT #116 Long Beach State 82 77 +3.61 +1.39
HOME #116 Long Beach State 79 73 +6.95 -0.95
HOME # 74 Tulsa 56 66 +2.66 -12.66
HOME #213 Missouri State 63 64 +14.03 -15.03
AWAY #177 Minnesota 62 60 +4.63 -2.63
HOME #300 Longwood 73 55 +20.32 -2.32
AWAY # 26 Florida 70 72 -10.43 +8.43
HOME #228 Kansas City(UMKC) 61 43 +14.71 +3.29
HOME #128 TCU 69 48 +7.65 +13.35
AWAY # 25 Baylor 62 79 -10.54 -6.46
AWAY # 2 West Virginia 60 77 -16.85 -0.15
HOME # 6 Oklahoma 72 74 -8.86 +6.86
AWAY # 39 Texas 69 74 -7.35 +2.35
HOME # 3 Kansas -10.06 0.145
AWAY # 46 Kansas State -6.61 0.231
HOME # 25 Baylor -3.86 0.359
AWAY #121 Auburn +0.54 0.521
AWAY # 50 Texas Tech -6.09 0.225
HOME # 24 Iowa State -4.28 0.321
AWAY #128 TCU +0.97 0.539
HOME # 46 Kansas State +0.07 0.503
AWAY # 3 Kansas -16.74 0.039
HOME # 50 Texas Tech +0.59 0.529
AWAY # 6 Oklahoma -15.54 0.040
HOME # 2 West Virginia -10.17 0.143
AWAY # 24 Iowa State -10.96 0.116
HOME # 39 Texas -0.67 0.474
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1950
by NotOstertag
Kind of like Frank is our 2nd leading rebounder. But at 5'10" he's got a clear advantage on the glass, lol.
Now would be a VERY good time for KU to have a definitive win of blowout proportions to settle Jayhawk nation's nerves. Based on history, I'd be thrilled if we won by 10. My fear is that this might be a lot closer than the stats guys are predicting, however.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
Guard Jeff Newberry is their leading rebounder and leading thief. Yes, you read that right; a guard is their leading rebounder. - See more at: www.rockchalk.com/index.php/forum/basket...homa-state-game#1942 ]
Kind of like Frank is our 2nd leading rebounder. But at 5'10" he's got a clear advantage on the glass, lol.
Now would be a VERY good time for KU to have a definitive win of blowout proportions to settle Jayhawk nation's nerves. Based on history, I'd be thrilled if we won by 10. My fear is that this might be a lot closer than the stats guys are predicting, however.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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8 years 10 months ago #1954
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Hope to see us break out of this bit of a funk.
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