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3 years 9 months ago #26372
by asteroid
It's been a rough stretch of games. Not from a difficulty point of view,
however. Rather, our Strength of Schedule rating has taken a hit, and
when the probability of winning is up around 90 percent, an actual win
allows a team to pick up only 0.1 of a projected win, so Kansas hasn't
been gaining much ground on second-place Oklahoma lately, nor will today's
game help much.
The most pessimistic is Seven Overtimes, who favors Kansas by a single
point. RealTime, with its enormous home court advantage, is the second-most
pessimistic with just a 9 point margin for Kansas. The more reliable
prognosticators have it in the 13 point range, with Dunkel being the most
optimistic at 19 points. Maybe he recalls how the Octagon is really
Allen Field House West.
Just how far out of whack is Seven Overtimes? Well, to find another team
with 15 victories, you have to go to #87 UNC Greensboro, who accumulated
their 15 wins against the #301 schedule. Then #68 Chattanooga, who earned
their 15 wins against the #246 schedule. Then #62 Western Kentucky, who
earned their 15 wins against the #112 schedule. Only Eastern Kentucky has
as many wins as Kansas but is ranked lower by Seven Overtimes, and only 2
spots lower, and they came against the #278 schedule. Bashuk must be a
Jayhawk hater and purposely tweaking his algorithm to rank Kansas so low.
He even has TCU ranked higher than Kansas, a team with no wins against the
Sagarin Top 25 (Kansas has 4 such wins). In Massey's composite, the next
lowest ranking for Kansas is #53, attributed to Kyle Cox.
Anyway, the average has Kansas favored by 13 points. That stinker in
Ames dropped the Jayhawks' total points average to just 141.95, compared
with 136.05 for Kansas State, which average to 139 points. The Wildcats'
high water mark came at home against Texas when they scored 77 points.
They've given up triple digits twice, both to Baylor. What makes this
game hard to predict is the fact that the two consecutive games against
Iowa State went from 161 total points to just 114 total points. I guess
that's why people like averages so much! So a 13 point margin in a game
with 139 total points would suggest Kansas 76, Kansas State 63.
Kansas State is coming off of three consecutive above expectation
performances, but those followed a string of five below expectation
games. Kansas has also had three consecutive above expectation
performances, so both teams have positive trends, but neither is
statistically significant. Both teams also have negative mental
toughness ratings of some weak significance, but again, that helps
Kansas when playing a weaker opponent.
Less than an hour to tip-off. Enough chit-chat. Time to get this posted.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats KSU KU Defensive Stats KSU KU
Points/Game 62.7 74.0 Opp Points/Game 73.4 68.0
Avg Score Margin -10.7 +6.0 Opp Effective FG % 55.3 48.2
Assists/Game 13.4 13.9 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.4 10.6
Total Rebounds/Gm 32.6 38.0 Def Rebounds/Gm 21.9 25.0
Effective FG % 48.5 49.9 Blocks/Game 1.9 4.0
Off Rebound % 27.0 31.2 Steals/Game 5.0 6.7
FTA/FGA 0.278 0.298 Personal Fouls/Gm 17.3 15.9
Turnover % 19.7 15.2
Kansas has the advantage in all fifteen categories. That was easy.
My Stats Comparison KU KSU
=================== ============= ============
Performance -0.60 (7) -2.66 (9)
Inconsistency 11.88 (10) 8.52 (4)
Trend +0.13 ± 0.44 +0.08 ± 0.31
Mental toughness -0.48 ± 0.27 -0.21 ± 0.18
Average total pts 141.95 (7) 136.05 (10)
The number in parentheses is the conference ranking.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, namely Peyton Manning ("OMAHA!") and the eight other
conference members, four of which Kansas has played twice (Iowa State, TCU, Oklahoma,
West Virginia), three of which Kansas State has played twice (Baylor, Texas Tech,
Texas), and one of which both teams have played twice (Oklahoma State) for which I'll
use only the home-home and road-road permutations), plus the head-to-head in Lawrence,
giving us eighteen scores to compare:
KU +45 Oma at home (+41 neutral court)
KSU +2 Oma at home ( -2 neutral court)
KU +39 KSU on road (+43 neutral court)
KU +14 ISU on road (+18 neutral court) KU +33 ISU at home (+29 neutral court)
KSU +9 ISU on road (+13 neutral court) KSU +9 ISU on road (+13 neutral court)
KU +1 KSU on road ( +5 neutral court) KU +12 KSU on road (+16 neutral court)
KU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral court) KU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral court)
KSU -31 BU at home (-35 neutral court) KSU -48 BU on road (-44 neutral court)
KU +27 KSU on road (+31 neutral court) KU +36 KSU on road (+40 neutral court)
KU +8 TCU at home ( +4 neutral court) KU +29 TCU on road (+33 neutral court)
KSU -7 TCU at home (-11 neutral court) KSU -7 TCU at home (-11 neutral court)
KU +11 KSU on road (+15 neutral court) KU +40 KSU on road (+44 neutral court)
KU +1 TTU on road ( +5 neutral court) KU +1 TTU on road ( +5 neutral court)
KSU -11 TTU on road ( -7 neutral court) KSU -11 TTU at home (-15 neutral court)
KU +8 KSU on road (+12 neutral court) KU +16 KSU on road (+20 neutral court)
KU +12 OSU at home ( +8 neutral court) KU -5 OSU on road ( -1 neutral court)
KSU -16 OSU at home (-20 neutral court) KSU -7 OSU on road ( -3 neutral court)
KU +24 KSU on road (+28 neutral court) KU -2 KSU on road ( +2 neutral court)
KU -25 UT at home (-29 neutral court) KU -25 UT at home (-29 neutral court)
KSU -15 UT on road (-11 neutral court) KSU -3 UT at home ( -7 neutral court)
KU -22 KSU on road (-18 neutral court) KU -26 KSU on road (-22 neutral court)
KU -7 OU on road ( -3 neutral court) KU +4 OU at home ( 0 neutral court)
KSU -26 OU on road (-22 neutral court) KSU -26 OU on road (-22 neutral court)
KU +15 KSU on road (+19 neutral court) KU +18 KSU on road (+22 neutral court)
KU +14 WVU at home (+10 neutral court) KU -12 WVU on road ( -8 neutral court)
KSU -22 WVU at home (-26 neutral court) KSU -22 WVU at home (-26 neutral court)
KU +32 KSU on road (+36 neutral court) KU +14 KSU on road (+18 neutral court)
KU +23 KSU at home (+19 neutral court)
KU +15 KSU on road (+19 neutral court)
As usual, the Texas comparison does not favor Kansas, and ditto for the Oklahoma State
road game. The other fifteen favor Kansas. The average is 14.3 points in favor of the
Jayhawks, with a scatter of 18.4 points. If we reduce the home court advantage to just
2 points, the Oklahoma State road game comparison becomes a wash, and the average margin
in favor of Kansas increases to 16.2 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Mike McGuirl (guard)
most points Nijel Pack (guard)
most rebounds Dajuan Gordon (guard)
most assists Mike McGuirl (guard)
most steals Nijel Pack (guard)
most blocks Kaosi Ezeagu (forward)
most turnovers Dajuan Gordon (guard)
most fouls Kaosi Ezeagu (forward)
Dajuan Gordon sat out the last game with some sort of foot injury; his status for
today's game hasn't been stated. Forward Montavious Murphy is expected to miss
the rest of a season due to a knee injury requiring surgery; he was tenth on the
team in minutes played.
15-7 5-17
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kansas State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +13.52 73 60 87 # 13 # 12 #156 # 30
Sagarin Predictor +13.98 74 60 91.2 # 12 # 12 #155 # 30
Sagarin Golden Mean +13.16 73 60 # 15 # 12 #153 # 30
Sagarin Recent Games +13.97 74 60 # 32 # 12 #218 # 30
Sagarin Eigenvector +13.78 73 60 87
Massey +12.00 73 61 89 # 10 # 25 #183 # 41
Pomeroy +13.15 73 59 # 25 # 20 #190 # 31
Greenfield +12.50 73 61 # 17 # 7 #171 # 86
Dunkel +19.00 80 61 # 22 #238
Vegas (via Dunkel) +13.00 73.5 60.5
Dolphin Predictive +12.97 75 62 87.7 # 22 # 13 #193 # 94
Real Time +9.00 77 68 65.2 # 41 # 29 #237 # 11
Seven Overtimes +1.00 66 65 59 #114 # 6 #198 # 41
DPPI +14.40 75 61 85.6 # 25 # 19 #238 # 17
ESPN BPI +17.00 93.9 # 24 # 27 #234 # 32
Whitlock +14.33 # 26 # 34 #225 # 39
Colley Matrix +18.22 # 28 # 18 #211 # 22
NCAA NET # 21 #226
LRMC # 2 * # # 96 * #
common opponents +16.22
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +13.40 73.8 61.3 82.8
scatter 3.87 3.0 2.4 12.1
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is still 17-9:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga 90 102 -7.46 -4.54
NEUT #226 Saint Joseph's-Pa. 94 72 +20.89 +1.11
NEUT # 52 Kentucky 65 62 +5.56 -2.56
Div2 Washburn 89 54
HOME #147 North Dakota State 65 61 +17.65 -13.65
HOME # 14 Creighton 73 72 +2.35 -1.35
HOME #288 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 95 50 +26.34 +18.66
AWAY # 16 Texas Tech 58 57 -1.41 +2.41
HOME # 17 West Virginia 79 65 +2.98 +11.02
HOME # 22 Texas 59 84 +4.13 -29.13
AWAY # 87 TCU 93 64 +7.79 +21.21
HOME # 21 Oklahoma 63 59 +3.51 +0.49
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma State 70 75 +2.51 -7.51
AWAY # 2 Baylor 69 77 -8.86 +0.86
AWAY # 21 Oklahoma 68 75 -0.67 -6.33
HOME # 87 TCU 59 51 +11.97 -3.97
AWAY # 11 Tennessee 61 80 -2.12 -16.88
HOME #155 Kansas State 74 51 +18.16 +4.84
AWAY # 17 West Virginia 79 91 -1.20 -10.80
HOME # 44 Oklahoma State 78 66 +6.69 +5.31
HOME #142 Iowa State 97 64 +16.49 +16.51
AWAY #142 Iowa State 64 50 +12.31 +1.69
AWAY #155 Kansas State +13.98 0.912
HOME # 16 Texas Tech +2.77 0.605
AWAY # 22 Texas -0.05 0.498
HOME # 2 Baylor -4.68 0.323
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME # 62 Drake 70 80 -7.32 -2.68
HOME # 18 Colorado 58 76 -12.80 -5.20
HOME #218 Kansas City(UMKC) 62 58 +6.25 -2.25
HOME #126 UNLV 58 68 -1.05 -8.95
Div2 Fort Hays State 68 81
HOME #228 Milwaukee 76 75 +7.02 -6.02
AWAY #142 Iowa State 74 65 -3.76 +12.76
HOME # 2 Baylor 69 100 -20.75 -10.25
HOME #313 Jacksonville 70 46 +12.75 +11.25
HOME #288 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 60 58 +10.27 -8.27
HOME # 87 TCU 60 67 -4.10 -2.90
AWAY # 16 Texas Tech 71 82 -17.48 +6.48
HOME # 44 Oklahoma State 54 70 -9.38 -6.62
AWAY # 22 Texas 67 82 -16.12 +1.12
AWAY # 21 Oklahoma 50 76 -16.74 -9.26
HOME # 17 West Virginia 47 69 -13.09 -8.91
AWAY # 2 Baylor 59 107 -24.93 -23.07
HOME #127 Texas A&M 61 68 -1.02 -5.98
AWAY # 12 Kansas 51 74 -18.16 -4.84
HOME # 16 Texas Tech 62 73 -13.30 +2.30
HOME # 22 Texas 77 80 -11.94 +8.94
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma State 60 67 -13.56 +6.56
HOME # 12 Kansas -13.98 0.088
AWAY # 87 TCU -8.28 0.182
HOME # 21 Oklahoma -12.56 0.099
AWAY # 17 West Virginia -17.27 0.014
HOME #142 Iowa State +0.42 0.516
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3 years 9 months ago #26373
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Perhaps the worst basketball game I’ve ever watched. A win is a win, but my gosh that was putrid.
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3 years 9 months ago #26375
by hairyhawk
I thought both teams played pretty good defense but neither team could shoot. KU made 25% of their 3 point shots and they were twice as efficient from 3 as KSU. Definitely some poor shooting.
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