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3 years 9 months ago #26317
by asteroid
The Streak Is Over.
As the saying goes, all good things must come to an end. So it was with
the streak of conference championships, and now the streak of being ranked
in the Top 25 had ended. But those are just human polls. Multiple computer
rankings still have Kansas in the Top 25, though the composite compiled by
Massey does not.
So, now that the pressure is off...
Time to start some new streaks. The Jayhawks let one slip away in Stillwater,
where Kansas appears to be jinxed. In Allen Field House they are not. At
least in a normal season. This season is not normal. RealTime is the most
optimistic, favoring Kansas by 8 points, with Dunkel close behind at 7.5 points.
Vegas has it at 6.5 points, while Massey has it at 6.0 points. The most
pessimistic is Sagarin's Recent Games method, which favors Oklahoma State by
4 points. I do wonder if Sagarin looks at the won-lost record of the recent
games or the performance relative to expectation. The former would be
susceptible to scheduling, with a string of tough games making it look like
a bad trend. The Cowboys do have the conference's best trend, while Kansas
has a negative trend, though it's not statistically significant. Oklahoma
State is also the conference's second-most consistent team, while Kansas is
the second-least consistent. It all depends on which Jayhawk team decides
to show up, as the average of the various prognostications is a mere 3.5 points
in favor of Kansas.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 76.8 73.0 Opp Points/Game 71.5 69.3
Avg Score Margin +5.3 +3.7 Opp Effective FG % 46.4 49.3
Assists/Game 13.1 13.7 Off Rebounds/Gm 9.8 10.4
Total Rebounds/Gm 40.0 37.3 Def Rebounds/Gm 26.6 24.7
Effective FG % 51.5 49.9 Blocks/Game 4.4 3.9
Off Rebound % 30.1 30.8 Steals/Game 7.3 6.2
FTA/FGA 0.376 0.296 Personal Fouls/Gm 17.0 16.3
Turnover % 17.9 15.5
Kansas has the advantage in just three of the eight offensive stats and in
just three of the seven defensive categories.
Common Opponents
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There are six common opponents, all in conference, one of which Kansas has played
twice (West Virginia), one of which Oklahoam State has played twice (Texas), plus
the head-to-head in Stillwater (for which I'll use only the home-home and road-road
permutations), giving us ten scores to compare:
KU +8 TCU at home ( +4 neutral court) KU +29 TCU on road (+33 neutral court)
OSU -1 TCU at home ( -5 neutral court) OSU -3 TCU on road ( +1 neutral court)
KU +13 OSU at home ( +9 neutral court) KU +36 OSU at home (+32 neutral court)
KU -25 UT at home (-29 neutral court) KU -25 UT at home (-29 neutral court)
OSU -3 UT on road ( +1 neutral court) OSU +8 UT at home ( +4 neutral court)
KU -26 OSU at home (-30 neutral court) KU -29 OSU at home (-33 neutral court)
KU +1 TTU on road ( +5 neutral court)
OSU +5 TTU on road ( +9 neutral court)
KU 0 OSU at home ( -4 neutral court)
KU +14 WVU at home (+10 neutral court) KU -12 WVU on road ( -8 neutral court)
OSU -3 WVU at home ( -7 neutral court) OSU -3 WVU at home ( -7 neutral court)
KU +21 OSU at home (+17 neutral court) KU +3 OSU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +23 KSU at home (+19 neutral court)
OSU +16 KSU on road (+20 neutral court)
KU +3 OSU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral court)
OSU -15 BU at home (-19 neutral court)
KU +19 OSU at home (+15 neutral court)
KU -5 OSU on road ( -1 neutral court)
KU +3 OSU at home ( -1 neutral court)
Seven of the comparisons favor Kansas, two favor Oklahoma State, and one is a wash.
The average is 4.3 points with a scatter of a whopping 20.1 points. If we adopt a
2 point home court advantage, the average becomes just 2.3 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Isaac Likekele (guard)
most points Cade Cunningham (guard)
most rebounds Isaac Likekele (guard)
most assists Isaac Likekele (guard)
most steals Cade Cunningham (guard)
most blocks Kalib Booner (forward)
most turnovers Cade Cunningham (guard)
most fouls Avery Anderson III (guard)
Forward Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe missed Saturday's game for an undisclosed
reason, and it is unknown if he will be able to play today; he is sixth in terms
of minutes played and fourth in terms of points scored. Guard Chris Harris is
out with a knee injury; he only averaged 6 minutes per game. Guard Donovan
Williams is recovering from knee surgery; he was last on the team in minutes
played. Forward Montreal Pena Jr. has been dealing with a personal issue, and
it is unclear when he might return to the team.
Thompson is still out while recovering from his broken finger. Grant-Foster
turned an ankle in practice on Friday and was unable to play on Saturday.
I've not seen anything about his status for today.
12-7 12-5
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +4.14 74 70 65 # 18 # 4 # 34 # 34
Sagarin Predictor +5.39 75 69 70.7 # 16 # 4 # 42 # 34
Sagarin Golden Mean +3.85 74 70 65 # 17 # 4 # 28 # 34
Sagarin Recent Games -4.03 70 74 # 59 # 4 # 17 # 34
Sagarin Eigenvector +2.49 73 71 59
Massey +6.00 75 69 71 # 18 # 15 # 38 # 34
Pomeroy +1.06 70 69 # 27 # 7 # 34 # 42
Greenfield +5.50 72.5 67 # 21 # 4 # 37 # 31
Dunkel +7.50 77 70 # 29 # 33
Vegas (via Dunkel) +6.50 73 67
Dolphin Predictive +5.35 74 69 67.9 # 30 # 10 # 35 # 36
Real Time +8.00 81 73 72.1 # 48 # 12 # 27 # 35
Seven Overtimes +2.00 68 66 56 #128 # 6 # 25 # 15
DPPI +3.30 75.5 72 # 41 # 10 # 44 # 51
ESPN BPI +5.90 70.7 # 25 # 11 # 59 # 39
Whitlock -0.07 # 35 # 23 # 33 # 39
Colley Matrix -2.45 # 38 # 10 # 24 # 27
NCAA NET # 26 # 37
LRMC # 2 * # # 65 * #
common opponents +2.30
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +3.49 73.7 69.7 66.4
scatter 3.29 3.2 2.3 5.7
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is still 17-9:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 2 Gonzaga 90 102 -7.49 -4.51
NEUT #226 Saint Joseph's-Pa. 94 72 +19.86 +2.14
NEUT # 52 Kentucky 65 62 +4.48 -1.48
Div2 Washburn 89 54
HOME #148 North Dakota State 65 61 +16.91 -12.91
HOME # 18 Creighton 73 72 +2.27 -1.27
HOME #285 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 95 50 +25.30 +19.70
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 58 57 -2.57 +3.57
HOME # 17 West Virginia 79 65 +2.24 +11.76
HOME # 23 Texas 59 84 +3.12 -28.12
AWAY # 82 TCU 93 64 +6.46 +22.54
HOME # 20 Oklahoma 63 59 +3.00 +1.00
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma State 70 75 +1.35 -6.35
AWAY # 1 Baylor 69 77 -9.64 +1.64
AWAY # 20 Oklahoma 68 75 -1.04 -5.96
HOME # 82 TCU 59 51 +10.50 -2.50
AWAY # 7 Tennessee 61 80 -4.04 -14.96
HOME #167 Kansas State 74 51 +17.97 +5.03
AWAY # 17 West Virginia 79 91 -1.80 -10.20
HOME # 42 Oklahoma State +5.39 0.707
HOME #130 Iowa State +14.45 0.885
AWAY #130 Iowa State +10.41 0.806
AWAY #167 Kansas State +13.93 0.911
HOME # 14 Texas Tech +1.47 0.557
AWAY # 23 Texas -0.92 0.468
HOME # 1 Baylor -5.60 0.291
Here is Oklahoma State's season (postponed games have been arbitrarily moved to
the end of the schedule; I have not bothered to find out when they might have
been rescheduled):
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
AWAY #205 UT Arlington 75 68 +13.01 -6.01
HOME #222 Texas Southern 85 65 +18.34 +1.66
AWAY # 70 Marquette 70 62 +1.05 +6.95
HOME #254 Oakland-Mich. 84 71 +20.17 -7.17
HOME #150 Oral Roberts 83 78 +13.71 -8.71
AWAY # 78 Wichita State 67 64 +2.30 +0.70
HOME # 82 TCU 76 77 +7.13 -8.13
AWAY # 23 Texas 74 77 -4.29 +1.29
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 82 77 -5.94 +10.94
HOME # 17 West Virginia 84 87 -1.13 -1.87
AWAY #167 Kansas State 70 54 +10.56 +5.44
HOME # 16 Kansas 75 70 -1.35 +6.35
HOME # 1 Baylor 66 81 -8.97 -6.03
AWAY #130 Iowa State 81 60 +7.04 +13.96
HOME # 19 Arkansas 81 77 -0.86 +4.86
AWAY # 82 TCU 78 81 +3.09 -6.09
HOME # 23 Texas 75 67 -0.25 +8.25
AWAY # 16 Kansas -5.39 0.293
HOME #167 Kansas State +14.60 0.970
HOME #130 Iowa State +11.08 0.867
AWAY # 1 Baylor -13.01 0.042
HOME # 14 Texas Tech -1.90 0.403
AWAY # 20 Oklahoma -4.41 0.317
HOME # 20 Oklahoma -0.37 0.484
AWAY # 17 West Virginia -5.17 0.225
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