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3 years 10 months ago #26082
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All together now: I HATE THESE EARLY TIPS!
I wish I could prepare these summaries the evening before. Then it wouldn't be
so bad. But a lot of the usual prognosticators don't have their predictions up
the evening before, so for the most complete summary, I need to wait, sometimes
until nearly tipoff for web sites like Dunkel's. Fortunately, Sagarin has
already updated his ratings with Friday's games, and Dunkel has his predictions
up as well, so I can prepare the summary now and not get up quite so early.
Still, it'll be a short night of sleep, and even shorter if I make this too
long.
Would you believe that Colley has Missouri as his #1 team?
Meanwhile, Seven Overtimes finally moved Kansas up a bit, from #134 to #104,
while they still have Kansas State at #94. Yes, the Kansas State that squeaked
past the same Omaha team that Kansas handled by 45. (Peyton Manning: OMAHA!!)
As of 12:06 UT, Seven Overtimes has predictions up for only 26 games on
Saturday, and the Kansas game isn't among them. Perhaps just as well, as
Seven Overtimes hasn't demonstrated it's ready for Prime Time.
ESPN's BPI prediction increased from 3.6 to 3.8 points over the last several
hours. I assume it's due to the update from Friday's games being included.
Meanwhile, Greenfield's prediction dropped from 4.5 points to 3.5 points.
Go figure why their respective margins would head in opposite directions.
Whitlock is still not on board for this season, so I've flagged his rankings
and prediction with asterisks, as they're really for last year's teams.
Real Time is the optimist of the bunch, giving Kansas a 13 point margin.
Then again, Real Time isn't ready for Prime Time either. Massey is the
second-most optimistic at 7 points. Sagarin's various methods run in the
5 to 6 point range, except for the eigenvector analysis, which hasn't been
kind to the Jayhawks all season. At least it's predicting a win, but by a
single possession. Pomeroy thinks we'll have a repeat of the Creighton
and Texas Tech games, where the margin was a single point. Dunkel is the
pessimist, picking the Longhorns. I'm still struggling to figure out
Dunkel, as he has Kansas ranked higher than Texas (#7 to #19), but Texas
rated higher than Kansas (73.234 to 69.122, with #1 Baylor at 77.276 by
way of comparison). And in fairness, I'm also struggling to understand
Pomeroy's prediction; take away Sagarin's 2 point homecourt advantage,
and Texas would be favored to win, yet Pomeroy has Kansas ranked higher
than Texas, so the Jayhawks ought to be favored on a neutral court and
by at least 2 points at home.
The average is coming out at 3.9 points, excluding Whitlock, with a
scatter of 3.9 points.
As for total points, don't pay any attention to me! We went from a
game featuring two defensive juggernauts in Kansas and Texas Tech,
which wound up in the 50s, to a game featuring two defensive juggernauts
in Kansas and West Virginia, but it was bombs away for the first half,
and it looked like they were going to go way over the expected total.
Recall how I noted that Kansas games were averaging 145 total points
while West Virginia games were averaging 144 point points, so if you
split the difference, one might have expected a total of 144.5 points.
I said to take the under. Well, the total was 144 points, so the
under was correct, but just barely, and way more than I expected.
So the Kansas total points average is still 145, while Texas is at
137.25, so splitting the difference checks in at 141.1 points. With
a 3.9 point margin, let's call it 73 to 69.
12:45 UT update: Seven Overtimes finally put up a prediction. Kansas
by 1, 66 to 65, with a 53 percent probability of winning the game. Oh,
and Kansas is now #102. This information has been updated in the
table below, but I did not recompute the averages to include it.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats UT KU Defensive Stats UT KU
Points/Game 74.8 77.4 Opp Points/Game 62.5 67.6
Avg Score Margin +12.2 +9.8 Opp Effective FG % 42.1 45.9
Assists/Game 13.2 14.0 Off Rebounds/Gm 10.2 12.1
Total Rebounds/Gm 40.1 42.5 Def Rebounds/Gm 26.9 27.1
Effective FG % 51.3 50.0 Blocks/Game 4.1 4.2
Off Rebound % 32.4 35.0 Steals/Game 6.2 6.9
FTA/FGA 0.372 0.321 Personal Fouls/Gm 22.8 16.8
Turnover % 16.8 15.2
Kansas has the advantage in five of the eight offensive stats and in five
of the seven defensive categories.
Common Opponents
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There are no common opponents, yet.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Matt Coleman (guard)
most points Matt Coleman (guard)
most rebounds Greg Brown (forward)
most assists Matt Coleman (guard)
most steals Matt Coleman (guard)
most blocks Greg Brown (forward)
most turnovers Greg Brown (forward), Courtney Ramey (guard)
most fouls Greg Brown (forward)
Kind of looks like a two-man show. Put Garrett on Coleman, and that ought to
shut down half of that duo.
Guard Jase Febres is still recovering from off-season knee surgery.
8-1 7-1
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Texas
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +5.89 72 66 70 # 5 # 20 # 23 # 74
Sagarin Predictor +5.71 72 66 70.9 # 7 # 20 # 25 # 74
Sagarin Golden Mean +6.16 72 66 70 # 4 # 20 # 20 # 74
Sagarin Recent Games +5.08 72 67 70 # 6 # 20 # 16 # 74
Sagarin Eigenvector +2.78 71 68 60
Massey +7.00 71 64 75 # 5 # 41 # 17 # 55
Pomeroy +0.78 67 66 # 7 # 18 # 9 # 66
Greenfield +3.50 70 66.5 # 8 # 5 # 10 # 16
Dunkel -4.00 65 69 # 7 # 19
Vegas (via Dunkel) +3.50 70 67
Dolphin Predictive +4.20 72 68 64.1 # 10 # 6 # 15 # 13
Real Time +13.00 83 70 78.1 # 15 #115 # 7 # 71
Seven Overtimes +1.00 66 65 53 #102 # 12 # 8 # 41
DPPI +2.10 73 71 58.3 # 30 # 55 # 25 # 75
ESPN BPI +3.80 64.3 # 13 # 35 # 20 # 37
Whitlock +13.34 * # 1 * # # 56 * #
Colley Matrix -1.62 # 8 # 70 # 5 # 35
NCAA NET # 2 * # 70 *
LRMC # 2 * # # 78 * #
common opponents
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +3.86 71.5 67.3
scatter 3.91 4.1 1.9
Here is Kansas' season, for which the current season projection is 20-6:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga 90 102 -4.00 -8.00
NEUT #194 Saint Joseph's-Pa. 94 72 +19.64 +2.36
NEUT # 55 Kentucky 65 62 +7.38 -4.38
Div2 Washburn 89 54
HOME #163 North Dakota State 65 61 +19.48 -15.48
HOME # 12 Creighton 73 72 +3.66 -2.66
HOME #244 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 95 50 +24.66 +20.34
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 58 57 +0.11 +0.89
HOME # 16 West Virginia 79 65 +4.28 +9.72
HOME # 25 Texas +5.71 0.709
AWAY # 77 TCU +8.13 0.829
HOME # 44 Oklahoma +7.49 0.830
AWAY # 56 Oklahoma State +5.45 0.732
HOME #107 Iowa State +14.77 0.877
AWAY # 2 Baylor -5.87 0.225
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma +3.59 0.677
HOME # 77 TCU +12.03 0.920
AWAY # 4 Tennessee -3.68 0.369
HOME #131 Kansas State +16.80 0.859
AWAY # 16 West Virginia +0.38 0.519
HOME # 56 Oklahoma State +9.35 0.856
AWAY #107 Iowa State +10.87 0.803
AWAY #131 Kansas State +12.90 0.796
HOME # 14 Texas Tech +4.01 0.697
AWAY # 25 Texas +1.81 0.569
HOME # 2 Baylor -1.97 0.400
Here is Texas' season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #250 UTRGV 91 55 +21.07 +14.93
NEUT # 87 Davidson 78 76 +6.73 -4.73
NEUT # 37 Indiana 66 44 +1.19 +20.81
NEUT # 30 North Carolina 69 67 +0.59 +1.41
HOME # 8 Villanova 64 68 -1.04 -2.96
HOME #244 Texas State 74 53 +20.79 +0.21
AWAY # 1 Baylor -9.78 0.147
HOME #239 Sam Houston State 79 63 +20.38 -4.38
HOME # 57 Oklahoma State 77 74 +5.62 -2.62
AWAY # 7 Kansas -5.72 0.290
HOME #108 Iowa State +11.12 0.903
AWAY # 15 West Virginia -3.44 0.333
HOME # 14 Texas Tech +0.42 0.518
HOME #129 Kansas State +12.79 0.912
AWAY #108 Iowa State +7.14 0.798
AWAY # 75 TCU +4.26 0.681
HOME # 45 Oklahoma +3.81 0.632
AWAY # 56 Kentucky +1.58 0.538
HOME # 1 Baylor -5.80 0.258
AWAY # 57 Oklahoma State +1.64 0.581
AWAY #129 Kansas State +8.81 0.825
HOME # 75 TCU +8.24 0.819
AWAY # 45 Oklahoma -0.17 0.494
HOME # 15 West Virginia +0.54 0.527
HOME # 7 Kansas -1.74 0.433
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech -3.56 0.350
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3 years 10 months ago #26083
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It'll feel better when it stops hurting
I was chuckling the whole time I read this. I came to check in this morning not expecting your prediction this early so was very pleasantly surprised. Thank you asteroid for all that you do. It is greatly appreciated
It'll feel better when it stops hurting
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3 years 10 months ago #26084
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Ditto!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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