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predictions for Kansas State game
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4 years 8 months ago #25079
by asteroid
Altercation 2.0
Well, Silvio De Sousa won't even be there. The Big 12 won't allow
suspended players to travel with the team. But everybody else will
be there, and probably extra security as well. I do not expect a
repeat of Altercation 1.0, but we may get a pretty good idea of just
how much the Jayhawks feel they're responsible by just how much they
might run up the score on the bottom-feeding Wildcats. I wonder how
much McCormack will be allowed to play? He might be the most fired-up
of any Jayhawk.
Kansas State has a home game with Iowa State to end the season, and
the Wildcats are currently favored in that contest, so Kansas State
might end conference play with a 3-15 record, but that won't be enough
to avoid last place, which represents a significant drop-off from
last season's championship tie with Texas Tech.
Kansas State has played below expectation in five of their last six
games, so the overall trend is slightly negative, but not statistically
significant. Their mental toughness rating is effectively zero. Taken
at face value, those cost the Wildcats a bit over a point. Kansas has
played above expectation in their last six games, but the trend is now
effectively zero. The Jayhawks' mental toughness rating is still
negative and of some significance, but that actually helps a bit
against a weaker opponent. They benefit Kansas by almost 3 points.
Sagarin Predictor gives Kansas an 11.5 point margin. Only twice has
Kansas State played more than 11.5 points above expectation, against
Alabama State and their home game with West Virginia. Only once has
Kansas played below expectation by more than 11.5 points, and we all
know which game that was. So that's three cases out of 55 (the
Chaminade game can't be included due to lack of a Predictor rating)
corresponding to a 5.5 percent chance of the Jayhawks losing the game.
Slightly more optimistic than the 90.1 percent chance of winning
based on the two teams' Predictor ratings and their inconsistencies.
Speaking of which, the inconsistencies are virtually identical for
the two teams. Because one will finish below expectation by the same
amount the other finishes above expectation for this game, their
relative standing will be effectively unchanged.
Most prognosticators are more optimistic than Sagarin Predictor. The
average is 14.7 points. The most optimistic is Colley at 26.2 points.
Then comes Sagarin Recent Games at 20.5 points. Next, surprisingly,
is RealTimeRPI at 19.0 points. I say it's surprising because RealTime
uses a larger than average home court advantage. For example, Baylor
is favored over TCU by only 3 points by RealTime because of that large
home court advantage for TCU. If the game were in Lawrence, RealTime
would have Kansas favored by 36 points. A 9 point home court advantage,
seriously? Sagarin has it at 3.2 points.
The pessimist of the bunch is Dunkel, who has Kansas favored by only
8 points. The DPPI is next at just 8.3 points. Usually reliable
Vegas has it at 11 points.
Well, Kansas' stay at #1 across the board in the Sagarin ratings was
short-lived. In Predictor, Duke has snuck back into the top spot with
a 93.85 rating compared to Kansas at 93.80. And in Strength of Schedule,
Minnesota is back on top at 82.25, but Michigan has snuck in at #2 with
a rating of 82.08, compared to Kansas at 81.95. Playing on the road is
better for the schedule strength than playing at home, but Kansas State
is ranked #83 in Predictor, whereas Minnesota is at #25 Wisconsin on
Sunday, while Michigan is at #8 Ohio State, also on Sunday, so expect
Kansas to remain behind both the Gophers and the Wolverines in Strength
of Schedule, at least for this weekend. Minnesota is less likely to
get very far in the Big Ten tournament, but Michigan should advance,
so it looks to be a battle between Kansas and Michigan for the top
spot.
Enjoy the game, and the extracurricular activities, as the case may be.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats KSU KU Defensive Stats KSU KU
Points/Game 64.3 74.7 Opp Points/Game 65.6 60.5
Avg Score Margin -1.2 +14.2 Opp Effective FG % 50.0 43.3
Assists/Game 12.6 14.3 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.6 9.1
Total Rebounds/Gm 33.2 38.7 Def Rebounds/Gm 21.5 26.9
Effective FG % 47.5 54.1 Blocks/Game 2.6 5.0
Off Rebound % 27.0 30.2 Steals/Game 8.6 7.6
FTA/FGA 0.353 0.347 Personal Fouls/Gm 18.9 14.6
Turnover % 18.4 16.0
Kansas leads in thirteen of the fifteen categories. Kansas State
steals 1.0 more balls per game and attempts slightly more free throws
per field goal attempt.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, Monmouth plus the eight conference
members, two of which Kansas State has played twice (TCU, Texas Tech)
two of which Kansas has played twice (Oklahoma State, Iowa State), and
four of which both have played twice (Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia,
Baylor), in which case only the home-home and away-away permutations
will be used, plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us eighteen
scores to compare:
KU +55 Mon neutral (+51 neutral)
KSU +19 Mon at home (+15 neutral)
KU +32 KSU on road (+36 neutral)
KU +14 OU on road (+18 neutral) KU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral)
KSU -5 OU on road ( -1 neutral) KSU +8 OU at home ( +4 neutral)
KU +15 KSU on road (+19 neutral) KU +5 KSU on road ( +9 neutral)
KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral) KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
KSU -2 TCU at home ( -6 neutral) KSU -11 TCU on road ( -7 neutral)
KU +20 KSU on road (+24 neutral) KU +21 KSU on road (+25 neutral)
KU +9 UT on road (+13 neutral) KU +11 UT at home ( +7 neutral)
KSU -14 UT on road (-10 neutral) KSU -11 UT at home (-15 neutral)
KU +19 KSU on road (+23 neutral) KU +18 KSU on road (+22 neutral)
KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral) KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
KSU -14 TTU at home (-18 neutral) KSU -7 TTU on road ( -3 neutral)
KU +13 KSU on road (+17 neutral) KU -2 KSU on road ( +2 neutral)
KU +7 WVU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +9 WVU on road (+13 neutral)
KSU +16 WVU at home (+12 neutral) KSU -9 WVU on road ( -5 neutral)
KU -13 KSU on road ( -9 neutral) KU +14 KSU on road (+18 neutral)
KU -12 BU at home (-16 neutral) KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral)
KSU -6 BU at home (-10 neutral) KSU -19 BU on road (-15 neutral)
KU -10 KSU on road ( -6 neutral) KU +18 KSU on road (+22 neutral)
KU +26 ISU on road (+30 neutral) KU +20 ISU at home (+16 neutral)
KSU -10 ISU on road ( -6 neutral) KSU -10 ISU on road ( -6 neutral)
KU +32 KSU on road (+36 neutral) KU +18 KSU on road (+22 neutral)
KU +25 OSU at home (+21 neutral) KU +15 OSU on road (+19 neutral)
KSU -5 OSU at home ( -9 neutral) KSU -5 OSU at home ( -9 neutral)
KU +26 KSU on road (+30 neutral) KU +24 KSU on road (+28 neutral)
KU +21 KSU at home (+17 neutral)
KU +13 KSU on road (+17 neutral)
Fifteen of the comparisons favor Kansas, while three favor Kansas State.
The average favors Kansas by 14.6 points with a scatter of 12.6 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Xavier Sneed (forward)
most points Xavier Sneed (forward)
most rebounds Makol Mawien (forward)
most assists Cartier Diarra (guard)
most steals Cartier Diarra (guard)
most blocks Makol Mawien (forward)
most turnovers Cartier Diarra (guard)
most fouls Makol Mawien (forward)
Forward Montavious Murphy sat out the last two games with a knee injury.
It's unknown whether he's available to play today. He's third in minutes
played, so represents a fairly significant contributor. Forward James Love III
had season-ending foot surgery, but hasn't made much of a contribution this
season.
25-3 9-19
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kansas State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +14.99 70 55 89 # 1 # 3 #113 # 25
Sagarin Predictor +11.50 68 57 90.1 # 2 # 3 # 83 # 25
Sagarin Golden Mean +12.53 69 56 # 1 # 3 # 91 # 25
Sagarin Recent Games +20.52 73 52 # 1 # 3 #169 # 25
Sagarin Eigenvector +18.80 72 53 93
Massey +16.00 73 57 92 # 1 # 1 #137 # 31
Pomeroy +13.10 68 55 # 1 # 1 #101 # 18
Greenfield +11.50 71.5 60 # 1 # 1 # 90 # 42
Dunkel + 8.00 71.5 63.5 # 2 #116
Vegas (via Dunkel) +11.00 71 60
Dolphin Predictive +10.77 71 60 84.0 # 1 # 1 # 93 # 38
Real Time +19.00 86 67 80.2 # 1 # 1 #200 # 5
Seven Overtimes +18.00 75 57 99 # 1 # 3 #145 # 43
DPPI + 8.30 69 61 82.4 # 1 # 1 #115 # 28
ESPN BPI +14.80 91.3 # 1 # 7 #105 # 23
Whitlock +15.42 # 1 # 2 #109 # 26
Colley Matrix +26.22 # 1 # 1 #160 # 7
NCAA NET # 1 #102
LRMC # 2 # 1 #109 # 28
common opponents +14.61
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +14.7 72.0 58.1
scatter 4.6 4.5 4.1
Here is Kansas' season, for which the projected record remains at 27-4.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Duke 66 68 -0.05 -1.95
HOME # 86 NC Greensboro 74 62 +18.20 -6.20
HOME #212 Monmouth-NJ 112 57 +28.11 +26.89
HOME # 66 East Tennessee State(ETS 75 63 +16.37 -4.37
Div2 Chaminade 93 63
NEUT # 28 BYU 71 56 +8.12 +6.88
NEUT # 21 Dayton 90 84 +7.31 -1.31
HOME # 31 Colorado 72 58 +12.47 +1.53
HOME #251 Milwaukee 95 68 +30.41 -3.41
NEUT #225 Kansas City(UMKC) 98 57 +25.67 +15.33
AWAY # 15 Villanova 55 56 +3.29 -4.29
AWAY # 55 Stanford 72 56 +8.91 +7.09
HOME # 10 West Virginia 60 53 +8.99 -1.99
AWAY # 59 Iowa State 79 53 +9.03 +16.97
HOME # 5 Baylor 55 67 +6.84 -18.84
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma 66 52 +7.02 +6.98
AWAY # 50 Texas 66 57 +7.90 +1.10
HOME # 83 Kansas State 81 60 +17.96 +3.04
HOME # 48 Tennessee 74 68 +14.06 -8.06
AWAY # 58 Oklahoma State 65 50 +9.00 +6.00
HOME # 18 Texas Tech 78 75 +10.23 -7.23
HOME # 50 Texas 69 58 +14.36 -3.36
AWAY # 70 TCU 60 46 +10.64 +3.36
AWAY # 10 West Virginia 58 49 +2.53 +6.47
HOME # 42 Oklahoma 87 70 +13.48 +3.52
HOME # 59 Iowa State 91 71 +15.49 +4.51
AWAY # 5 Baylor 64 61 +0.38 +2.62
HOME # 58 Oklahoma State 83 58 +15.46 +9.54
AWAY # 83 Kansas State +11.50 0.901
HOME # 70 TCU +17.10 0.947
AWAY # 18 Texas Tech +3.77 0.630
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #138 North Dakota State 67 54 +7.98 +5.02
AWAY #118 UNLV 60 56 +0.00 +4.00
HOME #212 Monmouth-NJ 73 54 +13.38 +5.62
HOME #346 Ark.-Pine Bluff 62 51 +26.78 -15.78
NEUT # 90 Pittsburgh 59 63 +0.48 -4.48
NEUT #108 Bradley 60 73 +2.55 -15.55
HOME #332 Florida A&M 76 58 +22.17 -4.17
HOME # 26 Marquette 65 73 -3.63 -4.37
HOME #336 Alabama State 86 41 +22.59 +22.41
NEUT # 49 Mississippi State 61 67 -3.77 -2.23
NEUT # 99 Saint Louis 63 66 +1.42 -4.42
HOME #100 Tulsa 69 67 +4.68 -2.68
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma 61 66 -7.71 +2.71
HOME # 70 TCU 57 59 +2.37 -4.37
AWAY # 50 Texas 50 64 -6.83 -7.17
HOME # 18 Texas Tech 63 77 -4.50 -9.50
HOME # 10 West Virginia 84 68 -5.74 +21.74
AWAY # 2 Kansas 60 81 -17.96 -3.04
AWAY # 43 Alabama 74 77 -7.66 +4.66
HOME # 42 Oklahoma 61 53 -1.25 +9.25
AWAY # 10 West Virginia 57 66 -12.20 +3.20
HOME # 5 Baylor 67 73 -7.89 +1.89
AWAY # 59 Iowa State 63 73 -5.70 -4.30
HOME # 58 Oklahoma State 59 64 +0.73 -5.73
AWAY # 70 TCU 57 68 -4.09 -6.91
AWAY # 18 Texas Tech 62 69 -10.96 +3.96
HOME # 50 Texas 59 70 -0.37 -10.63
AWAY # 5 Baylor 66 85 -14.35 -4.65
HOME # 2 Kansas -11.50 0.099
AWAY # 58 Oklahoma State -5.73 0.317
HOME # 59 Iowa State +0.76 0.527
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4 years 8 months ago #25080
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I'm really looking for KU to come out today wanting to smash Kstate. I'd like to see them own the #1 ranking, show the country they're ready to dominate, and put Kstate in their place, in front of what is sure to be jackass behavior from the fans.
We haven't put away bad teams early, and need to start that today.
We haven't put away bad teams early, and need to start that today.
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4 years 8 months ago #25081
by JRhawk
If McCormack doesn't dial it back a few notches, he will foul out quickly, like he did at Baylor (5 fouls - 4 minutes). He needs to show some maturity and stay in the game, so Dok doesn't have to play so much.
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