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predictions for Oklahoma State game
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4 years 9 months ago #25017
by asteroid
Trap game? There can be a tendency to drop a bit after an emotional
high. And Oklahoma State has won three out of four, and four out of
six, suggesting that the Cowboys are not to be taken lightly.
The problem, of course, is that Oklahoma State is the most inconsistent
team in the Big 12. Are we going to see the team that played almost
39 points above expectation against Mississippi, or the team that
played almost 27 points below expecation in Lubbock? A swap of venue
in the Big 12 tends to be a little larger than the national average,
but against the Sooners, the Cowboys went from losing by 13 in Norman
to winning by 17 in Stillwater, a 30 point swing. So as the saying
goes, your guess is as good as mine.
The average of the various predictions is 17.8 points. Colley is the
optimist at 23.5 points, while Greenfield and Vegas are the pessimists
at 14.5 points. The Cowboys have played five out of their last six
above expectation, but all those below expectation performances at the
beginning of the conference season (but in the middle of the regular
season) have left them with a slightly negative trend, though it's
not statistically significant. Their mental toughness rating is also
negative and carries some significance to it, which would cost them
almost 6 points. Meanwhile, the Kansas trend is similarly negative,
but of no significance, mainly because of the first Baylor game.
The Jayhawks' mental toughness rating is negative and has some
significance to it, but against a weaker opponent, it helps by a bit
over 3 points.
Winning four of six suggests that perhaps the Cowboys have turned the
corner, but in their most recent road games, their inconsistency has
reared its ugly head. They didn't do so well in Morgantown, but did
extremely well in Waco until the very, very end of the game. I don't
put a lot of stock in the game against bottom-feeder Kansas State.
Games like this are hard to predict. The opponent is inconsistent,
it could be a trap game, but one thing is certain: Baylor is favored
against Kansas State, TCU, and Texas Tech, and the way West Virginia
has been fading of late, the Bears could come out of Morgantown with
a win as well, which leaves Kansas with zero margin for error. To win
the Big 12, they can't afford a meltdown against Oklahoma State.
In other news, Dunkel's rankings are out-of-date. The three teams he
has ranked ahead of Kansas, namely Gonzaga, Duke, and Baylor, have all
lost games since his last rankings were released.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 67.0 74.3 Opp Points/Game 65.9 60.6
Avg Score Margin +1.2 +13.8 Opp Effective FG % 46.9 43.4
Assists/Game 11.7 14.2 Off Rebounds/Gm 9.3 8.9
Total Rebounds/Gm 36.4 38.8 Def Rebounds/Gm 24.3 27.0
Effective FG % 46.5 54.3 Blocks/Game 3.7 5.0
Off Rebound % 28.3 29.9 Steals/Game 7.0 7.8
FTA/FGA 0.341 0.348 Personal Fouls/Gm 18.1 14.5
Turnover % 16.4 16.2
Kansas leads in fourteen of the fifteen categories. Oklahoma State
grabs 0.4 more offensive rebounds per game.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, Kansas City plus the eight conference
members, two of which Oklahoma State has played twice (Texas Tech, TCU)
two of which Kansas has played twice (Texas, Iowa State), and three of
which both have played twice (West Virginia, Baylor, Oklahoma), in which
case only the home-home and away-away permutations will be used, plus the
head-to-head in Stillwater, giving us seventeen scores to compare:
KU +41 KC neutral (+41 neutral)
OSU +18 KC at home (+14 neutral)
KU +31 OSU at home (+27 neutral)
KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral) KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
OSU -35 TTU on road (-31 neutral) OSU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
KU +34 OSU at home (+30 neutral) KU +4 OSU at home ( 0 neutral)
KU +7 WVU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +9 WVU on road (+13 neutral)
OSU -14 WVU at home (-18 neutral) OSU -18 WVU on road (-14 neutral)
KU +25 OSU at home (+21 neutral) KU +31 OSU at home (+27 neutral)
KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral) KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
OSU -12 TCU on road ( -8 neutral) OSU +15 TCU at home (+11 neutral)
KU +30 OSU at home (+26 neutral) KU +11 OSU at home ( +7 neutral)
KU +11 UT at home ( +7 neutral) KU +9 UT on road (+13 neutral)
OSU +12 UT at home ( +8 neutral) OSU +12 UT at home ( +8 neutral)
KU +3 OSU at home ( -1 neutral) KU +9 OSU at home ( +5 neutral)
KU -12 BU at home (-16 neutral) KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral)
OSU -7 BU at home (-11 neutral) OSU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral)
KU -1 OSU at home ( -5 neutral) KU +15 OSU at home (+11 neutral)
KU +26 ISU on road (+30 neutral) KU +20 ISU at home (+16 neutral)
OSU -7 ISU on road ( -3 neutral) OSU -7 ISU on road ( -3 neutral)
KU +37 OSU at home (+33 neutral) KU +23 OSU at home (+19 neutral)
KU +14 OU on road (+18 neutral) KU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral)
OSU -13 OU on road ( -9 neutral) OSU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral)
KU +31 OSU at home (+27 neutral) KU +4 OSU at home ( 0 neutral)
KU +21 KSU at home (+17 neutral)
OSU +5 KSU on road ( +9 neutral)
KU +12 OSU at home ( +8 neutral)
KU +15 OSU on road (+19 neutral)
KU +23 OSU at home (+19 neutral)
Sixteen of the comparisons favor Kansas, while just one favors Oklahoma
State, and by just a single point. The average favors Kansas by 18.94
points with a scatter of 12.5 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Isaac Likekele (guard)
most points Cameron McGriff (forward)
most rebounds Cameron McGriff (forward)
most assists Isaac Likekele (guard)
most steals Isaac Likekele (guard)
most blocks Yor Anei (forward)
most turnovers Isaac Likekele (guard)
most fouls Yor Anei (forward)
Guard Chris Harris Jr. is out with a knee injury. He's eighth in minutes played.
Guard Marcus Watson was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team way back in
October.
24-3 14-13
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +15.19 72 57 89 # 1 # 1 # 50 # 14
Sagarin Predictor +14.63 72 57 88.6 # 2 # 1 # 55 # 14
Sagarin Golden Mean +15.09 72 57 # 1 # 1 # 53 # 14
Sagarin Recent Games +16.16 72 56 # 1 # 1 # 46 # 14
Sagarin Eigenvector +22.06 75 53 94
Massey +20.00 76 56 95 # 1 # 1 # 59 # 18
Pomeroy +16.41 72 55 # 1 # 1 # 62 # 8
Greenfield +14.50 74.5 60 # 1 # 1 # 62 # 24
Dunkel +16.00 75.5 59.5 # 4 # 92
Vegas (via Dunkel) +14.50 74.5 60
Dolphin Predictive +14.94 74 59 91.3 # 1 # 1 # 56 # 24
Real Time +23.00 82 59 84.9 # 1 # 1 # 96 # 20
Seven Overtimes +16.00 75 59 88 # 1 # 3 #117 # 8
DPPI +23.10 78 55 97.2 # 1 # 1 # 82 # 8
ESPN BPI +17.90 94.2 # 2 # 5 # 68 # 13
Whitlock +17.99 # 1 # 2 # 66 # 6
Colley Matrix +23.46 # 1 # 1 # 72 # 10
NCAA NET # 1 # 67
LRMC # 2 # 1 # 76 # 13
common opponents +18.94
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +17.8 74.6 57.3
scatter 3.2 2.8 2.2
Here is Kansas' season, for which the projected record remains at 27-4.
Toughest remaining game is the season finale in Lubbock.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Duke 66 68 -0.75 -1.25
HOME # 80 NC Greensboro 74 62 +17.49 -5.49
HOME #208 Monmouth-NJ 112 57 +27.49 +27.51
HOME # 68 East Tennessee State(ETS 75 63 +16.27 -4.27
Div2 Chaminade 93 63
NEUT # 25 BYU 71 56 +7.75 +7.25
NEUT # 22 Dayton 90 84 +7.16 -1.16
HOME # 31 Colorado 72 58 +11.72 +2.28
HOME #252 Milwaukee 95 68 +30.09 -3.09
NEUT #227 Kansas City(UMKC) 98 57 +25.41 +15.59
AWAY # 18 Villanova 55 56 +3.37 -4.37
AWAY # 56 Stanford 72 56 +8.57 +7.43
HOME # 7 West Virginia 60 53 +7.97 -0.97
AWAY # 60 Iowa State 79 53 +8.96 +17.04
HOME # 5 Baylor 55 67 +6.71 -18.71
AWAY # 46 Oklahoma 66 52 +7.09 +6.91
AWAY # 54 Texas 66 57 +8.01 +0.99
HOME # 81 Kansas State 81 60 +17.53 +3.47
HOME # 45 Tennessee 74 68 +13.32 -7.32
AWAY # 55 Oklahoma State 65 50 +8.23 +6.77
HOME # 15 Texas Tech 78 75 +9.49 -6.49
HOME # 54 Texas 69 58 +14.41 -3.41
AWAY # 70 TCU 60 46 +10.27 +3.73
AWAY # 7 West Virginia 58 49 +1.57 +7.43
HOME # 46 Oklahoma 87 70 +13.49 +3.51
HOME # 60 Iowa State 91 71 +15.36 +4.64
AWAY # 5 Baylor 64 61 +0.31 +2.69
HOME # 55 Oklahoma State +14.63 0.886
AWAY # 81 Kansas State +11.13 0.890
HOME # 70 TCU +16.67 0.939
AWAY # 15 Texas Tech +3.09 0.607
Here is Oklahoma State's season; they're actually projected to win
two more games:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #147 Oral Roberts 80 75 +11.79 -6.79
HOME #227 Kansas City(UMKC) 69 51 +17.18 +0.82
AWAY #142 College of Charleston 73 54 +4.83 +14.17
HOME # 75 Yale 64 57 +5.71 +1.29
HOME #228 Western Michigan 70 63 +17.34 -10.34
NEUT # 53 Syracuse 86 72 -0.40 +14.40
NEUT # 73 Mississippi 78 37 +2.29 +38.71
HOME # 63 Georgetown 74 81 +4.10 -11.10
HOME # 36 Wichita State 61 80 +1.16 -20.16
AWAY # 21 Houston 61 55 -7.49 +13.49
NEUT # 33 Minnesota 66 86 -2.41 -17.59
HOME #336 SE Louisiana 82 31 +25.56 +25.44
AWAY # 15 Texas Tech 50 85 -8.34 -26.66
HOME # 7 West Virginia 41 55 -3.46 -10.54
AWAY # 70 TCU 40 52 -1.16 -10.84
HOME # 54 Texas 64 76 +2.98 -14.98
HOME # 5 Baylor 68 75 -4.72 -2.28
AWAY # 60 Iowa State 82 89 -2.47 -4.53
AWAY #124 Texas A&M 73 62 +3.58 +7.42
HOME # 2 Kansas 50 65 -8.23 -6.77
AWAY # 46 Oklahoma 69 82 -4.34 -8.66
HOME # 70 TCU 72 57 +5.24 +9.76
AWAY # 5 Baylor 70 78 -11.12 +3.12
AWAY # 81 Kansas State 64 59 -0.30 +5.30
HOME # 15 Texas Tech 73 70 -1.94 +4.94
AWAY # 7 West Virginia 47 65 -9.86 -8.14
HOME # 46 Oklahoma 83 66 +2.06 +14.94
AWAY # 2 Kansas -14.63 0.114
HOME # 60 Iowa State +3.93 0.612
HOME # 81 Kansas State +6.10 0.692
AWAY # 54 Texas -3.42 0.398
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4 years 9 months ago #25018
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"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
Here's why it's no trap game:
There are 16,300 people who were likely going nuts on Saturday at home, in sports bars, and in other places not called Allen Fieldhouse. Those 16,300 people will be there tonight to welcome the guys back home and will probably make things a whole lot more loud and crazy that you'd typically expect when one of the conference doormats comes to call. A newly-minted #1 ranking will only add to that environment.
OSU simply doesn't have a chance tonight.
There are 16,300 people who were likely going nuts on Saturday at home, in sports bars, and in other places not called Allen Fieldhouse. Those 16,300 people will be there tonight to welcome the guys back home and will probably make things a whole lot more loud and crazy that you'd typically expect when one of the conference doormats comes to call. A newly-minted #1 ranking will only add to that environment.
OSU simply doesn't have a chance tonight.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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4 years 9 months ago #25019
by hairyhawk
I sure hope you are correct that there will be too much juice in the building for there to be a bad let down.
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