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4 years 9 months ago #24939
by asteroid
How many ways can you look at it that makes it a big game?
#1 versus #3 in the AP poll and the Coaches poll. #3 versus #1 in
the Sagarin Overall rating. #1 versus #2 in the Sagarin Recent Games
rating. #2 versus #1 in the Pomeroy ratings. #1 versus #2 in the
Massey ratings. #1 versus #2 in the Big 12 consistency ratings.
#1 versus #2 in the conference race.
And think about it: this could be just the second of FOUR meetings
this season. A third meeting in the Big 12 Tournament seems likely,
while a fourth meeting in the Final Four seems at least possible.
This is a National Championship calibre game, except for the fact
that it'll be played in Waco rather than on a neutral court.
The first meeting in Lawrence featured the most below expectation
performance of the season by Kansas and the most above expectation
performance of the season by Baylor. I do not expect a repeat of
that. The tables are turned in the sense that Dotson is healthier
now than he was for the first game (he suffered that hip pointer
in the first game), while Teague is apparently not as healthy for
this game as he was for the first game (bad wrist). Garrett has
emerged as more of a scoring threat, which might help to open things
up for Azubuike on the inside. And with De Sousa sidelined, we can
be sure that Self won't be experimenting with a two-big line-up. The
Jayhawks will be playing four guards, and now have a fair bit of
experience with that line-up. Plus Self has had ample time to devise
ways of dealing with Baylor's defense.
Baylor has played their last 11 games within 10 points of expectation,
while the last 3 in a row have been above expectation. Kansas has
played their last 11 games within 8 points of expectation, while the
last 4 in a row have been above expectation. We've got two teams
entering this game on a roll, playing extremely consistently.
Most of the prognostications favor Baylor, on the basis of the Bears
being the home team, because most of the predicted margins are less
than the usual home court advantage. Sagarin Predictor, Dolphin
Predictive, and Dunkel are the three exceptions, but only Dunkel is
favoring Kansas by more than a half point, suggesting that overtime
is possible. Don Davis' DPPI is the most pessimistic, favoring Baylor
by 6.7 points. The average favors Baylor by just 1.8 points, making
it a one-possession game. In Dunkel's highlight, he points out that
Kansas is 7-0 against the spread in its last seven road games, while
Baylor is only 2-11 against the spread in its last 13 home games versus
Kansas. Interesting, but not very relevant considering that those last
13 home games versus Kansas were between two different teams than the
ones playing today.
Baylor has positive trend and mental toughness statistics, and they
are both significant. They're worth almost 6 points for the Bears.
Kansas still has a negative trend, though it is not significant, as
well as a negative mental toughness rating that does have some
significance. They cost the Jayhawks a bit over 2 points.
Most of the ratings suggest that Kansas is the better team on a
neutral court, but that home game loss sticks out as the worst
performance by Kansas this season. A 2 point loss to Duke on a
neutral court and a 1 point loss to Villanova on the road are the
only other two blemishes. The Jayhawks are just a couple of buckets
away from a 25-1 record against the toughest schedule in all of
Division I.
Pomeroy has Kansas and Baylor as the #2 and #3 defensive teams,
respectively (#1 is currently fellow conference member West Virginia,
because Kansas allowed Oklahoma and Iowa State to score a combined
178 points in the last two games). Expect this game to be another
one of those grind it out, low-scoring defensive games. Most of the
prognostications have each team scoring in the low 60s.
I think it'll come down to a matter of poise. The six players who
average more than 15 minutes per game for Baylor consist of two
seniors, two juniors, and two sophomores. The seven players who
average more than 15 minutes per game for Kansas consist of two
seniors, one junior, three sophomores, and one freshman. That might
give Baylor a slight edge in experience to keep them from getting
rattled. A lot may depend on whether Teague is good to go or not.
Replacing him with a less experienced player could tip the balance
in favor of Kansas.
I would have been able to post this summary three hours before
tip-off, except that Dunkel is back to that stupid practice of
posting game predictions in reverse chronological order. So if you
want to bet on Fresno State at Nevada, which doesn't tip for over
12 hours, you're good to go with Dunkel right now. But if you want
to bet on Kansas at Baylor, which tips in less than 3 hours, you're
still waiting on Dunkel. Given how he's bringing up the rear in
game predictions for the season, I have half a mind to drop his
predictions from my summaries so that I don't have to wait, wait,
wait.
I still hate early tips, but this game will be worth it, regardless
of the tip time.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats BU KU Defensive Stats BU KU
Points/Game 71.2 74.8 Opp Points/Game 58.2 60.6
Avg Score Margin +13.0 +14.2 Opp Effective FG % 43.5 43.3
Assists/Game 13.8 14.2 Off Rebounds/Gm 11.2 9.0
Total Rebounds/Gm 37.8 39.0 Def Rebounds/Gm 23.7 27.0
Effective FG % 49.6 54.3 Blocks/Game 4.5 5.1
Off Rebound % 35.0 30.0 Steals/Game 7.9 7.9
FTA/FGA 0.306 0.354 Personal Fouls/Gm 16.5 14.4
Turnover % 15.0 16.2
Kansas leads in ten of the fifteen categories.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, Villanova plus the eight conference
members, one of which Baylor has played twice (Oklahoma State), one
of which Kansas has played twice (West Virginia), and three of which
both have played twice (Texas, Iowa State, Oklahoma), in which case
only the home-home and away-away permutations will be used, plus the
head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us fifteen scores to compare:
KU -1 Vil on road ( +3 neutral)
BU +9 Vil neutral ( +9 neutral)
KU -10 BU on road ( -6 neutral)
KU +11 UT at home ( +7 neutral) KU +9 UT on road (+13 neutral)
BU +15 UT at home (+11 neutral) BU +7 UT on road (+11 neutral)
KU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral) KU -2 BU on road ( -2 neutral)
KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
BU +5 TTU on road ( +9 neutral)
KU -14 BU on road (-10 neutral)
KU +20 ISU at home (+16 neutral) KU +26 ISU on road (+30 neutral)
BU +13 ISU at home ( +9 neutral) BU +14 ISU on road (+18 neutral)
KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral) KU +8 BU on road (+12 neutral)
KU +15 OSU on road (+19 neutral) KU +15 OSU on road (+19 neutral)
BU +7 OSU on road (+11 neutral) BU +8 OSU at home ( +4 neutral)
KU +4 BU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +11 BU on road (+15 neutral)
KU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral) KU +14 OU on road (+18 neutral)
BU +4 OU at home ( 0 neutral) BU +11 OU on road (+15 neutral)
KU +9 BU on road (+13 neutral) KU -1 BU on road ( +3 neutral)
KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
BU +16 TCU at home (+12 neutral)
KU +2 BU on road ( +6 neutral)
KU +21 KSU at home (+17 neutral)
BU +6 KSU on road (+10 neutral)
KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral)
KU +7 WVU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +9 WVU on road (+13 neutral)
BU +11 WVU at home ( +7 neutral) BU +11 WVU at home ( +7 neutral)
KU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral) KU +2 BU on road ( +6 neutral)
KU -12 BU at home (-16 neutral)
KU -20 BU on road (-16 neutral)
Eight of the comparisons favor Kansas, while seven favor Baylor. However,
the average favors Baylor by 1.4 points, with a scatter of 8.9 points.
Take away that head-to-head score, and it's effectively a wash. Also take
away the Villanova score and Kansas would have a slight 0.7 point edge,
meaning that Kansas has played the rest of the conference just a hair
better than Baylor has.
Players to Watch
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most minutes MaCio Teague (guard)
most points Jared Butler (guard)
most rebounds Freddie Gillespie (forward)
most assists Davion Mitchell (guard)
most steals Mark Vital (guard)
most blocks Freddie Gillespie (forward)
most turnovers Jared Butler (guard)
most fouls Davion Mithcell (guard)
Teague didn't play the last two games due to a wrist injury. Wouldn't be
surprised if Baylor keeps it a secret as to whether he'll be able to play
or not. Forward Jonathan Tchamwa Tchatchoua has been sitting out the entire
season for eligibility reasons.
23-3 24-1
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Baylor
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall -1.53 61 62 44 # 1 # 2 # 3 # 37
Sagarin Predictor +0.42 62 61 52.0 # 2 # 2 # 5 # 37
Sagarin Golden Mean -1.70 61 62 # 1 # 2 # 4 # 37
Sagarin Recent Games -5.87 59 64 # 3 # 2 # 1 # 37
Sagarin Eigenvector -0.52 61 62 48
Massey -2.00 63 65 43 # 2 # 1 # 1 # 19
Pomeroy -0.92 60 61 # 1 # 2 # 2 # 33
Greenfield -1.50 63 64 # 1 # 1 # 5 # 9
Dunkel +1.50 62 61 # 4 # 3
Vegas (via Dunkel) -2.00 63 65
Dolphin Predictive +0.16 64 64 50.6 # 1 # 1 # 4 # 11
Real Time -5.00 63 68 41.1 # 1 # 1 # 2 # 78
Seven Overtimes -1.00 66 67 40 # 1 # 3 # 3 # 32
DPPI -6.70 61 68 # 1 # 1 # 4 # 54
ESPN BPI -1.30 45.0 # 2 # 7 # 5 # 33
Whitlock -0.43 # 1 # 3 # 3 # 40
Colley Matrix -2.01 # 1 # 1 # 2 # 51
NCAA NET # 4 # 2
LRMC # 2 # 1 # 5 # 51
common opponents -1.40
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average -1.77 62.1 63.9
scatter 2.12 1.8 2.5
Here is Kansas' season, for which the projected record remains at 27-4.
Amazingly, there are still no projected losses. Toughest game would be
today's road game with Baylor.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Duke 66 68 -0.76 -1.24
HOME # 74 NC Greensboro 74 62 +16.72 -4.72
HOME #210 Monmouth-NJ 112 57 +27.66 +27.34
HOME # 66 East Tennessee State(ETS 75 63 +15.76 -3.76
Div2 Chaminade 93 63
NEUT # 29 BYU 71 56 +8.27 +6.73
NEUT # 21 Dayton 90 84 +7.04 -1.04
HOME # 27 Colorado 72 58 +11.23 +2.77
HOME #250 Milwaukee 95 68 +29.83 -2.83
NEUT #224 Kansas City(UMKC) 98 57 +25.33 +15.67
AWAY # 18 Villanova 55 56 +3.60 -4.60
AWAY # 62 Stanford 72 56 +9.18 +6.82
HOME # 6 West Virginia 60 53 +7.73 -0.73
AWAY # 55 Iowa State 79 53 +8.21 +17.79
HOME # 5 Baylor 55 67 +6.84 -18.84
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma 66 52 +6.72 +7.28
AWAY # 54 Texas 66 57 +8.19 +0.81
HOME # 80 Kansas State 81 60 +17.29 +3.71
HOME # 44 Tennessee 74 68 +13.22 -7.22
AWAY # 64 Oklahoma State 65 50 +9.20 +5.80
HOME # 19 Texas Tech 78 75 +10.09 -7.09
HOME # 54 Texas 69 58 +14.61 -3.61
AWAY # 76 TCU 60 46 +10.75 +3.25
AWAY # 6 West Virginia 58 49 +1.31 +7.69
HOME # 42 Oklahoma 87 70 +13.14 +3.86
HOME # 55 Iowa State 91 71 +14.63 +5.37
AWAY # 5 Baylor +0.42 0.520
HOME # 64 Oklahoma State +15.62 0.900
AWAY # 80 Kansas State +10.87 0.881
HOME # 76 TCU +17.17 0.944
AWAY # 19 Texas Tech +3.67 0.632
Here is Baylor's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #295 Central Arkansas 105 61 +29.15 +14.85
NEUT # 67 Washington 64 67 +9.18 -12.18
HOME #118 Texas State 72 63 +17.12 -8.12
NEUT #191 Ohio 76 53 +19.17 +3.83
AWAY #181 Coastal Carolina 77 65 +15.25 -3.25
NEUT # 18 Villanova 87 78 +3.18 +5.82
HOME #349 Md.-Eastern Shore(UMES) 78 46 +38.95 -6.95
HOME # 8 Arizona 63 58 +4.50 +0.50
HOME # 34 Butler 53 52 +8.58 -7.58
NEUT #313 Tennessee-Martin 91 63 +27.27 +0.73
HOME #319 Jackson State 83 57 +30.84 -4.84
HOME # 54 Texas 59 44 +10.98 +4.02
AWAY # 19 Texas Tech 57 52 +0.04 +4.96
AWAY # 2 Kansas 67 55 -6.84 +18.84
HOME # 55 Iowa State 68 55 +11.00 +2.00
AWAY # 64 Oklahoma State 75 68 +5.57 +1.43
HOME # 42 Oklahoma 61 57 +9.51 -5.51
AWAY # 30 Florida 72 61 +1.52 +9.48
AWAY # 55 Iowa State 67 53 +4.58 +9.42
HOME # 76 TCU 68 52 +13.54 +2.46
AWAY # 80 Kansas State 73 67 +7.24 -1.24
HOME # 64 Oklahoma State 78 70 +11.99 -3.99
AWAY # 54 Texas 52 45 +4.56 +2.44
HOME # 6 West Virginia 70 59 +4.10 +6.90
AWAY # 42 Oklahoma 65 54 +3.09 +7.91
HOME # 2 Kansas -0.42 0.480
HOME # 80 Kansas State +13.66 0.949
AWAY # 76 TCU +7.12 0.759
HOME # 19 Texas Tech +6.46 0.737
AWAY # 6 West Virginia -2.32 0.400
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4 years 9 months ago #24940
by JRhawk
I had just read that Teague was Baylor's leading scorer, then see you say Butler is, which of course, is correct - 15.6 to 14.4 ppg. Still, will be a blow if Teague is out.
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