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A "Jayhawks in the Rafters" query (rant?)...

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4 years 9 months ago - 4 years 9 months ago #24878 by HawkErrant
As I noted in the pinned post on the topic, the "guaranteed" criteria were expanded on Friday when Self stated the following in the Journal World: "There’s not an exact (criteria)(sic) on who goes up there,” Self said Friday. “But if you’re the MVP of a Final Four or you’re the Big 12 Player of the Year, you’re a lock. Or you’re a first-team All-American. So Marcus was a lock.”

So now the "Guaranteed Retired Jersey" criteria are:
1. NCAA D1 NPOY
2. NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player
3. Consensus First Team All-American
4. Two time First Team All-American (consensus not required) or
5. Academic All-American of the Year (criteria set by Roy so Vaughn's jersey could be in the rafters)
6. Conference Player of the Year

With Marcus going up tonight, TTBOMK, here are the six (6) players that have met the guaranteed criteria and aren't up there yet...

Recent players
Thomas Robinson, 2012 consensus first team All-American
Frank Mason, everybody's 2017 POY and consensus first team All-American
Devonté Graham, 2018 consensus first team All-American

Early KU players
(all are NCAA recognized Consensus 1st team AAs)
Tommy Johnson, forward, 1909
Ralph Sproull, forward, 1915
Dutch Lonborg, guard 1919

Now despite Drew Gooden getting his jersey up there in 2003, the year after he left, as a rule of thumb under Self it is usually a few years before a player is so honored. I fully expect we will see Thomas, Frank and Devonté up there in the next few years, but my question is this --

Why aren't Tommy Johnson, Ralph Sproull and Dutch Lonborg up there?
Anybody have any insight into why, aside from maybe because they were retroactively declared All-Americans by the Helms Foundation? Even the NCAA recognizes the Helms choices as the consensus honorees for those years (go to fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2019/Awards.pdf to see for yourself), so that can't be the reason, can it?

And going by Self's "guidelines" standard, why aren't these guys up there? They deserve to be!

Lawrence native Tommy Johnson, the first truly great hoops and football hero in KU history, is called "the original KU Legend" by KU historians. kuhistory.ku.edu/articles/touchdowns-and-tragedy

Ralph "Lefty" Sproull, another Lawrence native, was the first big time scorer for KU. He led the Missouri Valley Conference in scoring for 3 straight years, and held the records for career points (839) and points in a game (40) until "Cumulus" Clyde Lovellette came along to shatter them in the 1950s.

Arthur C. "Dutch" Lonborg of Horton, Kansas was a 3 sport star at KU, twice all conference in hoops and All American in 1919. The guy is already in the Naismith HOF (as a coach) and the KU Athletics Hall of Fame. Get him in the rafters to recognize his playing career!

What's the hold up, KU? Just because these guys have been dead for 35 years or more doesn't mean they don't deserve to be up there. If I was a descendant of one of these guys, I'd be thrilled to stand in for grampa or great-grampa when their jerseys were placed In The Rafters! Make a big thing of it and have all three honored at the same time, or go the three separate ceremonies route, but do it and soon!

Come on, KU, it's long overdue! Get 'er done!

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Last Edit: 4 years 9 months ago by HawkErrant.
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