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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1279
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#1 (AP) versus #1 (Coaches). Need I say more?
Sagarin gives Kansas a 5.5 point margin, with a 73.8 percent probability of
winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 152.2 points per game,
that suggests a final score of Kansas 79, Oklahoma 73. Kansas has been playing
2.2 points above expectation, while Oklahoma has been playing 1.8 points above
expectation, which means that the margin could be 5.8 points. Kansas has a
positive trend with strong statistical significance, thanks to the Baylor game,
while Oklahoma's trend is weakly negative, but not statistically significant.
On the other hand, Kansas has a negative mental toughness rating while Oklahoma
has a positive rating, though neither is statistically significant. Taken at
face value, the margin for Kansas increases to 7.7 points. Kansas has played
just two of twelve Division I games below expectation by enough to lose today's
game (Michigan State and Harvard), corresponding to a 16.7 percent chance of
losing. Oklahoma has played four of twelve games above expectation by enough
to win today's game (Incarnate Word, Central Arkansas, Villanova, and Washington
State, corresponding to a 33.3 percent chance of winning. Those two average to
a 25 percent chance of Kansas losing, consistent with the Sagarin probability
shown above.
Massey gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 62 percent probability of winning
the game. His projected final score is Kansas 80, Oklahoma 76.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 1.2 units, as well as the
better adjusted defense by 0.1 units, which combine to a 1.3 units advantage for
Kansas. With an average of 73.1 possessions per game, the margin for Kansas works
out to 0.9 points on a neutral court. Add Sagarin's 3.4 point home court advantage,
and the margin becomes 4.4 points, with the rounding helping Kansas by a bit. The
ratings suggest a score of Kansas 78, Oklahoma 74.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 7.0 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
projection of 83 to 76. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage
in five of eight categories; Oklahoma scores more points per game, grabs more
total rebounds per game, and gets a higher offensive rebound percentage. Among
the key defensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in just two of seven categories,
namely opponents points per game and steals per game.
Dunkel gives Kansas a 3.5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is at 6.5
points, so he is picking Oklahoma against the spread. With a total points projection
of 164, the implied final score is Kansas 84, Oklahoma 80. Meanwhile, he claims the
Vegas total is 156, which would imply a final score of Kansas 81.5 (you pick the
rounding), Oklahoma 75. Judging from the tabulated win-loss numbers, Dunkel's
rankings are still way out-of-date.
Previously I had speculated that Real Time must use a larger home court advantage
than the other prognosticators. That hypothesis has been thrown out the window,
considering that Real Time makes Kansas a 1.0 point underdog, with only a 49.0 percent
probability of winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 80, Oklahoma 81.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there.
Dolphin gives Kansas a 6.4 point margin with a 69.5 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 82, Oklahoma 76.
What is Colley smoking? Texas Tech is still his #6 team! Kansas is down at #9.
Tech's best win is against #34 Little Rock, while our best win is supposedly
#31 Oregon State.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 1.7 units in favor of Oklahoma, but we need to
calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling factor of 0.726
just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick with that value for
consistency purposes. That makes Oklahoma a 1.2 point favorite on a neutral court,
but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.4 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes
the favorite by 2.2 points.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 2.4 points in favor of
Oklahoma on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.4 point home court advantage,
and Kansas becomes a 1.0 point favorite.
Well, I was wrong about LRMC waiting until the postseason. They're now on board,
but their web site is broken. All (well, I tested Kansas and Oklahoma) of the team
links return 404 Not Found, which means I can't look up the strength of schedule
rankings.
Seven Overtimes gives Kansas a 6.0 point margin, corresponding to a 71 percent
probability of winning the game. The projected final score is 79 to 73, the same
as what I deduced from the Sagarin ratings.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 4.3 point margin.
The DPPI's ratings differential is 4.1 units. I'm unsure if that equates to
points or not. If it does, and after accounting for Sagarin's home court
advantage, it could be 7.5 points. Don has his own home court advantage figure.
If he's made his own game predictions, I haven't seen them yet.
There is one common opponent, namely Harvard:
KU +6 Har at home ( +2 neutral)
OU +12 Har neutral (+12 neutral)
KU -6 OU at home (-10 neutral)
That's the most pessimistic prognostication of the bunch. Then again, Harvard
did hang close to Oklahoma until the very end.
Players to watch: Guard Buddy Hield plays the most minutes and scores the most
points, but also commits the most turnovers. Forward Ryan Spangler is their
leading rebounder. Guard Isaiah Cousins dishes the most assists. Guard Jordan
Woodard is their leading thief. Forward Khadeem Lattin commits the most personal
fouls, which may explain why he's fifth in minutes played.
The average of the various prognostications is 4.0 points in favor of Kansas.
The projected final score would be Kansas 78, Oklahoma 74.
Rock Chalk! And Happy New Year!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 1 # 52 # 1 # 1 # 2 +2.2 8.1 +1.17 +/- 0.61 -0.08 +/- 0.23
Oklahoma # 2 # 54 # 7 # 2 # 1 +1.8 9.0 -0.33 +/- 0.78 +0.20 +/- 0.25
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 5 # 20 # 1 # 90 # 1 # 7 # 14 # 4 # 64 # 10 # 46
Oklahoma # 1 # 7 # 4 # 82 # 8 # 12 # 7 # 2 # 89 # 3 # 73
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 7 # 7 # 1 # 12 # 9 # 5 # 6 0.908 12-1 # 1 # 98
Oklahoma # 3 # 3 # 8 # 2 # 3 # 1 # 2 0.816 12-0 # 8 #129
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 9 # 58 # 3 # 64 # 7 #110 # 6 # - # 2 # 8 # 2 # 19
Oklahoma # 2 # 55 # 1 # 22 # 1 # 60 # 5 # - # 9 # 10 # 3 # 24
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 27-4:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #314 Northern Colorado 109 72 +37.06 -0.06
NEUT # 5 Michigan State 73 79 +1.88 -7.88
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 57 UCLA 92 73 +13.49 +5.51
NEUT # 13 Vanderbilt 70 63 +4.32 +2.68
HOME #271 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +33.05 -0.05
HOME # 94 Harvard 75 69 +19.80 -13.80
HOME #239 Holy Cross 92 59 +30.28 +2.72
HOME # 50 Oregon State 82 67 +15.97 -0.97
HOME #173 Montana 88 46 +26.43 +15.57
AWAY # 68 San Diego State 70 57 +10.70 +2.30
HOME # 93 UC Irvine 78 53 +19.78 +5.22
HOME # 33 Baylor 102 74 +13.49 +14.51
HOME # 7 Oklahoma +5.46 0.738
AWAY # 38 Texas Tech +7.75 0.858
AWAY # 3 West Virginia -2.00 0.415
HOME #143 TCU +23.51 0.996
AWAY # 85 Oklahoma State +12.12 0.895
HOME # 35 Texas +14.21 0.917
AWAY # 26 Iowa State +4.12 0.682
HOME # 24 Kentucky +10.31 0.857
HOME # 45 Kansas State +15.24 0.964
AWAY #143 TCU +16.71 0.969
HOME # 3 West Virginia +4.80 0.697
AWAY # 7 Oklahoma -1.34 0.438
HOME # 85 Oklahoma State +18.92 0.975
AWAY # 45 Kansas State +8.44 0.841
AWAY # 33 Baylor +6.69 0.745
HOME # 38 Texas Tech +14.55 0.978
AWAY # 35 Texas +7.41 0.765
HOME # 26 Iowa State +10.92 0.896
Here is Oklahoma's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
AWAY # 70 Memphis 84 78 +8.73 -2.73
HOME #310 McNeese State 85 56 +34.73 -5.73
HOME #199 Incarnate Word 96 63 +25.83 +7.17
HOME # 75 Wisconsin 65 48 +15.70 +1.30
HOME #335 Central Arkansas 111 68 +37.36 +5.64
NEUT # 4 Villanova 78 55 -0.61 +23.61
HOME #192 Oral Roberts 96 73 +25.40 -2.40
HOME # 52 Creighton 87 74 +14.29 -1.29
NEUT #118 Washington State 88 60 +16.04 +11.96
NEUT # 56 Hawai'i 84 81 +11.38 -8.38
NEUT # 94 Harvard 83 71 +14.34 -2.34
HOME # 26 Iowa State 87 83 +8.86 -4.86
AWAY # 1 Kansas -5.46 0.262
HOME # 45 Kansas State +13.18 0.931
AWAY # 85 Oklahoma State +10.06 0.841
HOME # 3 West Virginia +2.74 0.611
AWAY # 26 Iowa State +2.06 0.590
AWAY # 33 Baylor +4.63 0.671
HOME # 38 Texas Tech +12.49 0.947
AWAY # 88 LSU +10.23 0.846
HOME #143 TCU +21.45 0.989
AWAY # 45 Kansas State +6.38 0.763
HOME # 35 Texas +12.15 0.874
HOME # 1 Kansas +1.34 0.562
AWAY # 38 Texas Tech +5.69 0.769
AWAY # 3 West Virginia -4.06 0.337
HOME # 85 Oklahoma State +16.86 0.953
AWAY # 35 Texas +5.35 0.693
HOME # 33 Baylor +11.43 0.862
AWAY #143 TCU +14.65 0.941
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1284
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
David, DPPI projects 81-72 with a 74% probability of winning. My home court margin is 5.3 points (total margin).
Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1287
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So happy for all the projections show KU winning. Everywhere I've read it's the same. It will be an exciting game. So glad it will be on ESPN. Just hoping "you know who" won't be there!!!!!!
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1289
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And West Virginia versus TCU?
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1290
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The subject line was supposed to be "game", not "home". Any way to edit the subject line after the fact?
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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #1294
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Took care of it, asteroid.
I do not know if users have the okay to edit their own posts or not. Last year's board you could if you made your edits within an hour after posting. I've queried Dave in forum "How to use this board".
I do not know if users have the okay to edit their own posts or not. Last year's board you could if you made your edits within an hour after posting. I've queried Dave in forum "How to use this board".
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
83-79, baby!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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