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Basically, the competition simply doesn't compare. Note that UCLA did not share any titles...I bet if we win #13 the west coasters will raise that up. Also note that (I believe) that the AP only ranked 20 teams back then.
Numbers in () are end-of-year (pre tourney) AP rankings
Numbers in [] are highest AP rankings [but fell out before the season ended]
(I've not included this years because the EOY rankings aren't in yet...but we all know this has been the most fiercely competitive year yet)
UCLA Streak:
66-67 Nobody else ever ranked
67-68 Nobody else ever ranked
68-69 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Cal [15]
69-70 Finished ranked: USC (20)
Ranked at various times: Wash [9]
70-71 Finished ranked: USC (5)
Ranked at various times: Oregon [13], Ore St [20]
71-72 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [3 -Pre]
72-73 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [17]
73-74 Finished ranked: USC (17)
Ranked at various times: None
74-75 Finished ranked: Oregon St (18)
Ranked at various times: USC [5], Oregon [8], Stan [15], Wash [20]
75-76 Finished ranked: Washington (11)
Ranked at various times: Wash [6], Ore St [13], Oregon [17], USC [18],
76-77 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Oregon [17]
77-78 Nobody else ever ranked
78-79 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [11]
KU Streak
04-05 KU (12), OU (17) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (6), TT (24)
Ranked at various times: UT [10]
05-06 UT (9), KU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OU(24)
Ranked at various times: ISU [25]
06-07 KU (2)
Finished ranked: TA&M (9), UT (11)
Ranked at various times: OSU [9]
07-08 KU (4), UT (7) co-champs
Ranked at various times: TA&M [9], KSU [18], NU [25]
08-09 KU (14)
Finished ranked: OU (7),MU (9)
Ranked at various times: UT [5], BU [19]
09-10 KU (1)
Finished ranked: KSU (7), BU (19), TA&M (23)
Ranked at various times: UT [1], TT [16], OU [17]
10-11 KU (2)
Finished ranked: UT (8 ), KSU (21), TA&M (24)
Ranked at various times: BU [9], MU [9]
11-12 KU (6)
Finished ranked: MU (3), BU (9)
Ranked at various times: KSU [12], TA&M [19]
12-13 KU (3), KSU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (17)
Ranked at various times: BU [16]
13-14 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (21), BU (23)
Ranked at various times: KSU [22], OSU [5], UT [19]
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And it just further punctuates the monumental nature of our run.
Thanks so much for doing all the research and posting this!
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Now that it looks like we have a good shot at Big XII Title #XII, I did my own research to compare KU's current streak with UCLA's "Gold Standard".
Basically, the competition simply doesn't compare. Note that UCLA did not share any titles...I bet if we win #13 the west coasters will raise that up. Also note that (I believe) that the AP only ranked 20 teams back then.
Numbers in () are end-of-year (pre tourney) AP rankings
Numbers in [] are highest AP rankings [but fell out before the season ended]
(I've not included this years because the EOY rankings aren't in yet...but we all know this has been the most fiercely competitive year yet)
UCLA Streak:
66-67 Nobody else ever ranked
67-68 [Nobody else ever ranked
68-69 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Cal [15]
69-70 Finished ranked: USC (20)
Ranked at various times: Wash [9]
70-71 Finished ranked: USC (5)
Ranked at various times: Oregon [13], Ore St [20]
71-72 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [3 -Pre]
72-73 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [17]
73-74 Finished ranked: USC (17)
Ranked at various times: None
74-75 Finished ranked: Oregon St (18)
Ranked at various times: USC [5], Oregon [8], Stan [15], Wash [20]
75-76 Finished ranked: Washington (11)
Ranked at various times: Wash [6], Ore St [13], Oregon [17], USC [18],
76-77 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Oregon [17]
77-78 Nobody else ever ranked
78-79 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [11]
KU Streak
04-05 KU (12), OU (17) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (6), TT (24)
Ranked at various times: UT [10]
05-06 UT (9), KU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OU(24)
Ranked at various times: ISU [25]
06-07 KU (2)
Finished ranked: TA&M (9), UT (11)
Ranked at various times: OSU [9]
07-08 KU (4), UT (7) co-champs
Ranked at various times: TA&M [9], KSU [18], NU [25]
08-09 KU (14)
Finished ranked: OU (7),MU (9)
Ranked at various times: UT [5], BU [19]
09-10 KU (1)
Finished ranked: KSU (7), BU (19), TA&M (23)
Ranked at various times: UT [1], TT [16], OU [17]
10-11 KU (2)
Finished ranked: UT (8 ), KSU (21), TA&M (24)
Ranked at various times: BU [9], MU [9]
11-12 KU (6)
Finished ranked: MU (3), BU (9)
Ranked at various times: KSU [12], TA&M [19]
12-13 KU (3), KSU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (17)
Ranked at various times: BU [16]
13-14 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (21), BU (23)
Ranked at various times: KSU [22], OSU [5], UT [19]
14-15 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (13), BU (16), WVU (20)
Ranked at various times: UT [6], OSU [22], TCU [25]
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CorpusJayhawk wrote: Wow! Thanks for taking the time to compile this. Very impressive. Given your numbers I did a quick statistical eval and estimated the odds of UCLA winning in an average year would be about 65% (which was my oiriginal guess. The probability of winning 13 in a row is 3700 in 1 million. I think the the average probability of KU winning every year is no more than 40%. The odds of winning 12 in a row would be 17 in 1 million. So KU's streak is already almost 200 times more improbable. Listen, no matter how you slice it thse KU streak is one of the most impressive feats in sports. Think of the hurdles to overcome. Three times lost all 5 starters. Many injuries to key players. The Big 12 is consistently a top 3 conference and the last three years running the top conference. Just amazing.
It is just amazing... and I have a small nitpick (yeah, I'm gonna be *that* guy).
KU replaced all 5 starters 3 times, but lost all 5 starters only twice.
Christian Moody was a starter 2004-05 as a junior. Miles, Langford, Simien and Giddens left afterwards.
Christian returned for 2005-06, but Julian Wright replaced him in the starting lineup (and didn't Darnell ended up being first in the rotation off the bench?).
It's a fine point, but it's a significant one. Even in this day of one and done, Bill usually has players-in-development ready to step up next year -- and if he doesn't, he usually succeeds in his quests to get them.
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