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8 years 10 months ago #1114 by USAF Jayhawk
As we all are probably aware, we are tied with Gonzaga with 11 straight con championships and UCLA is next with 13. I'm curious, what competition did those teams face during their streaks? The West Coast Conf (Gonzaga) isn't exactly a powerhouse (LMU had some success during the Hank Gathers/Bo Kimble years). In other words, in terms of RPI or SOS, how does KU's streak compare to theirs?

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8 years 10 months ago #1121 by CorpusJayhawk
USAF, winning 11 in a row is always an amazing feat. But consider this. As of right now, the probability of the Jayhawks winning at least a share of the Big 12 title is 42%. If this was about the same every year then the probability of winning 11 in a row is 70 in 1 million. That makes what KU has done pretty incredible. Now the Zags as of before conference season (they have already played a couple conference games) had a 62% probability of at least sharing the conference title. If this is a typical year then their odds of winning 11 in a row would be 5203 in 1 million or about 74 times more likely. My guess is that UCLA's odds in the PAC 8 were even better that the Zags. No matter how you slice it, KU's streak of 11 Big 12 conference titles is THE MOST IMPRESSIVE streak in college sports or any other sport.

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8 years 9 months ago #4637 by USAF Jayhawk
Now that it looks like we have a good shot at Big XII Title #XII, I did my own research to compare KU's current streak with UCLA's "Gold Standard".

Basically, the competition simply doesn't compare. Note that UCLA did not share any titles...I bet if we win #13 the west coasters will raise that up. Also note that (I believe) that the AP only ranked 20 teams back then.

Numbers in () are end-of-year (pre tourney) AP rankings
Numbers in [] are highest AP rankings [but fell out before the season ended]
(I've not included this years because the EOY rankings aren't in yet...but we all know this has been the most fiercely competitive year yet)

UCLA Streak:
66-67 Nobody else ever ranked

67-68 Nobody else ever ranked

68-69 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Cal [15]

69-70 Finished ranked: USC (20)
Ranked at various times: Wash [9]

70-71 Finished ranked: USC (5)
Ranked at various times: Oregon [13], Ore St [20]

71-72 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [3 -Pre]

72-73 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [17]

73-74 Finished ranked: USC (17)
Ranked at various times: None

74-75 Finished ranked: Oregon St (18)
Ranked at various times: USC [5], Oregon [8], Stan [15], Wash [20]

75-76 Finished ranked: Washington (11)
Ranked at various times: Wash [6], Ore St [13], Oregon [17], USC [18],

76-77 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Oregon [17]

77-78 Nobody else ever ranked

78-79 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [11]


KU Streak
04-05 KU (12), OU (17) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (6), TT (24)
Ranked at various times: UT [10]

05-06 UT (9), KU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OU(24)
Ranked at various times: ISU [25]

06-07 KU (2)
Finished ranked: TA&M (9), UT (11)
Ranked at various times: OSU [9]

07-08 KU (4), UT (7) co-champs
Ranked at various times: TA&M [9], KSU [18], NU [25]

08-09 KU (14)
Finished ranked: OU (7),MU (9)
Ranked at various times: UT [5], BU [19]

09-10 KU (1)
Finished ranked: KSU (7), BU (19), TA&M (23)
Ranked at various times: UT [1], TT [16], OU [17]

10-11 KU (2)
Finished ranked: UT (8 ), KSU (21), TA&M (24)
Ranked at various times: BU [9], MU [9]

11-12 KU (6)
Finished ranked: MU (3), BU (9)
Ranked at various times: KSU [12], TA&M [19]

12-13 KU (3), KSU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (17)
Ranked at various times: BU [16]

13-14 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (21), BU (23)
Ranked at various times: KSU [22], OSU [5], UT [19]
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8 years 9 months ago #4639 by konza63
This is phenomenal stuff, USAFJay...

And it just further punctuates the monumental nature of our run.

Thanks so much for doing all the research and posting this!

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8 years 9 months ago #4642 by HawkErrant
Nice work, USAFJay. Don't forget to include last year and after Saturday (I DO believe in Jayhawks, I do, I do, I DO!) this year to complete the picture. Thanks for the research!

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8 years 9 months ago #4643 by USAF Jayhawk
Can't seem to edit original post, this one updated to include last year (Not sure how I missed that)
Now that it looks like we have a good shot at Big XII Title #XII, I did my own research to compare KU's current streak with UCLA's "Gold Standard".

Basically, the competition simply doesn't compare. Note that UCLA did not share any titles...I bet if we win #13 the west coasters will raise that up. Also note that (I believe) that the AP only ranked 20 teams back then.

Numbers in () are end-of-year (pre tourney) AP rankings
Numbers in [] are highest AP rankings [but fell out before the season ended]
(I've not included this years because the EOY rankings aren't in yet...but we all know this has been the most fiercely competitive year yet)

UCLA Streak:
66-67 Nobody else ever ranked

67-68 [Nobody else ever ranked

68-69 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Cal [15]

69-70 Finished ranked: USC (20)
Ranked at various times: Wash [9]

70-71 Finished ranked: USC (5)
Ranked at various times: Oregon [13], Ore St [20]

71-72 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [3 -Pre]

72-73 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [17]

73-74 Finished ranked: USC (17)
Ranked at various times: None

74-75 Finished ranked: Oregon St (18)
Ranked at various times: USC [5], Oregon [8], Stan [15], Wash [20]

75-76 Finished ranked: Washington (11)
Ranked at various times: Wash [6], Ore St [13], Oregon [17], USC [18],

76-77 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: Oregon [17]

77-78 Nobody else ever ranked

78-79 Finished ranked: None
Ranked at various times: USC [11]


KU Streak
04-05 KU (12), OU (17) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (6), TT (24)
Ranked at various times: UT [10]

05-06 UT (9), KU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OU(24)
Ranked at various times: ISU [25]

06-07 KU (2)
Finished ranked: TA&M (9), UT (11)
Ranked at various times: OSU [9]

07-08 KU (4), UT (7) co-champs
Ranked at various times: TA&M [9], KSU [18], NU [25]

08-09 KU (14)
Finished ranked: OU (7),MU (9)
Ranked at various times: UT [5], BU [19]

09-10 KU (1)
Finished ranked: KSU (7), BU (19), TA&M (23)
Ranked at various times: UT [1], TT [16], OU [17]

10-11 KU (2)
Finished ranked: UT (8 ), KSU (21), TA&M (24)
Ranked at various times: BU [9], MU [9]

11-12 KU (6)
Finished ranked: MU (3), BU (9)
Ranked at various times: KSU [12], TA&M [19]

12-13 KU (3), KSU (12) co-champs
Finished ranked: OSU (17)
Ranked at various times: BU [16]

13-14 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (21), BU (23)
Ranked at various times: KSU [22], OSU [5], UT [19]

14-15 KU (10)
Finished ranked: ISU (9), OU (13), BU (16), WVU (20)
Ranked at various times: UT [6], OSU [22], TCU [25]
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8 years 9 months ago #4644 by CorpusJayhawk
Wow! Thanks for taking the time to compile this. Very impressive. Given your numbers I did a quick statistical eval and estimated the odds of UCLA winning in an average year would be about 65% (which was my oiriginal guess. The probability of winning 13 in a row is 3700 in 1 million. I think the the average probability of KU winning every year is no more than 40%. The odds of winning 12 in a row would be 17 in 1 million. So KU's streak is already almost 200 times more improbable. Listen, no matter how you slice it thse KU streak is one of the most impressive feats in sports. Think of the hurdles to overcome. Three times lost all 5 starters. Many injuries to key players. The Big 12 is consistently a top 3 conference and the last three years running the top conference. Just amazing.

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8 years 9 months ago #4689 by HawkErrant

CorpusJayhawk wrote: Wow! Thanks for taking the time to compile this. Very impressive. Given your numbers I did a quick statistical eval and estimated the odds of UCLA winning in an average year would be about 65% (which was my oiriginal guess. The probability of winning 13 in a row is 3700 in 1 million. I think the the average probability of KU winning every year is no more than 40%. The odds of winning 12 in a row would be 17 in 1 million. So KU's streak is already almost 200 times more improbable. Listen, no matter how you slice it thse KU streak is one of the most impressive feats in sports. Think of the hurdles to overcome. Three times lost all 5 starters. Many injuries to key players. The Big 12 is consistently a top 3 conference and the last three years running the top conference. Just amazing.


It is just amazing... and I have a small nitpick (yeah, I'm gonna be *that* guy).

KU replaced all 5 starters 3 times, but lost all 5 starters only twice.

Christian Moody was a starter 2004-05 as a junior. Miles, Langford, Simien and Giddens left afterwards.
Christian returned for 2005-06, but Julian Wright replaced him in the starting lineup (and didn't Darnell ended up being first in the rotation off the bench?).

It's a fine point, but it's a significant one. Even in this day of one and done, Bill usually has players-in-development ready to step up next year -- and if he doesn't, he usually succeeds in his quests to get them.

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