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7 years 8 months ago #13036
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Kansas ended the regular season with an inconsistency rating of 6.5 points,
an incredibly low figure. After playing 13.5 points above expectation
against UC Davis, the inconsistency crept up to about 6.8 points. After
playing 11.0 points above expectation against Michigan State, the value
edged up to 7.2 points. And now, after dismantling Purdue with a performance
that was 28.8 points above expectation, the inconsistency has jumped to 8.7
points. That's still way below the national average. The question now is,
can the Jayhawks sustain this higher level of performance for another three
games? The Oregon Ducks are up next.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 3.01 point margin, with a 62.0 percent probability
of winning the game. Oregon has been playing games that average 144.6
total points, comparable to TCU, the sixth-highest scoring team in the
Big 12. By comparison, Kansas has been playing games that average
155.7 total points, the second-highest in the Big 12, and that total has
been edging higher during the Big Dance. The average of the two teams is
therefore 150.2 points, suggesting a final score of Kansas 77, Oregon 74,
with the rounding pushing the total a little past 150.2 points. Kansas has
been playing 0.58 points above expectation, averaged over the entire season,
while the Ducks have been playing 0.64 points above expectation, which
decreases the margin for Kansas to 2.95 points. The Jayhawks have played
played 12 of 35 games below expectation by more than 3 points, which would
be enough to lose today's game, for a 34.3 percent chance of losing.
Meanwhile, Oregon has played 11 of 36 games above expectation by more than
3 points, which would be enough to win today's game, for a 30.6 percent
chance of winning. Those two odds average to a 32.4 percent probability of
Kansas losing, somewhat more optimistic than the 38.0 percent chance of
losing derived from the Sagarin Predictor ratings. Kansas now has a
strongly positive trend of statistical significance, and although Oregon
also has a positive trend, theirs is not statistically significant. Both
teams have negative mental toughness ratings; the value for Kansas is not
statistically significant while the value for Oregon is. Taken at face
value, the margin for Kansas would be 5.82 points. The various Sagarin
rating methods show margins ranging from 3.01 points (Predictor) to 4.83
points (Elo Chess). The "offense-defense" method has a margin of 3.64
points and a final score of Kansas 79, Oregon 75.
As noted last time, all these prognostications are based on the game
being played on a neutral court. In reality, however, Kansas is playing
on a familiar Sprint Center court with a pro-Kansas crowd in attendance.
If we instead treated it as a home game, Sagarin's 3.04 point home court
advantage would kick in, and the probability of winning jumps to 73.0
percent.
Massey gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 65 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 80, Oregon 76.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 4.5 units, while
the adjusted defenses have identical ratings. With an average of 68.6
possessions, the margin works out to be 3.09 points in favor of Kansas.
The final score would be Kansas 75, Oregon 72.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 6.5 point margin, with a Vegas implied final score
of Kansas 81.5 (you pick the rounding), Oregon 75. Once again, it looks to
me like Greenfield is taking into account the fact that the Sprint Center
is more like a home game for Kansas. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas
has the advantage in six out of eight categories; Oregon has a larger average
margin of victory by 0.8 points (but that's against a weaker schedule) and
commits 0.6 percent fewer turnovers. Among the key defensive stats, Kansas
has the advantage in just three of the seven categories, namely grabbing 1.7
more offensive rebounds per game, grabbing 1.5 more defensive rebounds per
game, and stealing 0.4 more balls per game.
Dunkel calls the game even, and he claims that a Vegas line is at 7.0 points,
so he is picking Oregon against the spread. His total points is 162.0,
suggesting a "final" score of Kansas 81, Oregon 81. Meanwhile, the Vegas
total is 156.0, suggesting a final score of Kansas 81.5, Oregon 74.5 (you
pick the roundings).
Real Time gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 58.3 percent probability of
winning the game, and a final score of Kansas 80, Oregon 76. Curious that
Real Time has the result of the Purdue game listed, but not the Michigan State
game.
Another oddity is that Collegiate Basketball News is continuing to update the
RPI. In past seasons, once Selection Sunday had occurred, the RPI was frozen.
Anyway, Kansas climbed to #2 in the RPI behind Kentucky.
Dolphin gives Kansas a 3.58 point margin, with a 62.0 percent probability of
winning, and a final score of Kansas 78, Oregon 74.
Colley gives Kansas a 2.89 point margin using the scaling factor of 42.23
as determined previously.
Whitlock gives Kansas a 1.98 point margin using the scaling factor of 0.730 as
determined previously. It should be noted that Whitlock hasn't updated his
ratings with the results of the NCAA Tournament games.
The new and improved BPI gives Kansas a 2.6 point margin, with a 59.8 percent
probability of winning.
Kansas remains at #7 in the LRMC, which also hasn't been updated with the
results of the NCAA Tournament games.
Seven Overtimes doesn't have predictions for Saturday's games up yet.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 0.99 point margin, but his ratings also haven't been
updated since the end of the regular season.
There are two common opponents, one of which Kansas has played twice, giving
us three scores to compare:
KU +18 UNLV on road (+21 neutral court)
UO +20 UNLV neutral (+20 neutral court)
KU +1 UO neutral ( +1 neutral court)
KU +2 BU on road ( +5 neutral court) KU +5 BU at home ( +2 neutral court)
UO -17 BU on road (-14 neutral court) UO -17 BU on road (-14 neutral court)
KU +19 UO neutral (+19 neutral court) KU +16 UO neutral (+16 neutral court)
All three comparisons favor Kansas, and by an average of 12 points.
However, it should be noted that Oregon lost to Baylor at a time when Dillon Brooks
was out. On the other hand, Boucher did play in that game, and now he is out.
Players to watch: Guard Dylan Ennis plays the most minutes, but that's it; forward
Dillon Brooks scores the most points, but also commits the most turnovers as well as
the most personal fouls; forward Jordan Bell grabs the most rebounds and steals the
most balls; guard Payton Pritchard dishes the most assists; forward Christopher
Boucher blocks the most shots, but he's out with a torn ACL (he was their third-leading
scorer).
So, the various prognostications range from a toss up (Dunkel) to a 12.0 point win
(common opponents). The average is 4.03 points in favor of Kansas, suggesting a
final score of Kansas 77, Oregon 73. Don't be surprised if the Jayhawks hang 90+
on the Ducks.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 4 # 6 # 5 # 2 # 2 +0.6 8.7 +0.23 +/- 0.14 -0.09 +/- 0.17
Oregon # 12 # 60 # 12 # 10 # 10 +0.6 10.9 +0.15 +/- 0.18 -0.34 +/- 0.22
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 3 # 2 # 3 # 7 # 4 # 2 # 8 # 3 # 31 # 2 # 24
Oregon # 6 # 48 # 14 # 64 # 12 # 37 # 5 # 9 # 52 # 8 # 33
======================= Dolphin ====================== =====
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- -----
Kansas # 2 # 2 # 4 # 1 # 2 # 1 # 2 1.174 31-4
Oregon # 9 # 10 # 14 # 8 # 8 # 9 # 12 0.771 32-5
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 21 # 5 # 6 # 5 # 15 # 7 # 3 # 11 # 12 # 11 # 24
Oregon # 8 # 58 # 14 # 67 # 10 # 69 # 16 # 62 # 10 # 29 # 17 # 73
Here is Kansas' season, including the higher seeded opponent in the
tournament bracket, along with the cumulative probability of reaching
that level and ultimately winning the national championship (12.5 percent):
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 30 Indiana 99 103 +8.14 -12.14
NEUT # 9 Duke 77 75 +1.69 +0.31
HOME #173 Siena 86 65 +25.15 -4.15
HOME #168 UAB 83 63 +24.75 -4.75
HOME # 54 Georgia 65 54 +14.50 -3.50
HOME #123 NC Asheville 95 57 +22.28 +15.72
HOME #205 Long Beach State 91 61 +27.64 +2.36
HOME # 87 Stanford 89 74 +18.82 -3.82
HOME #234 Kansas City(UMKC) 105 62 +29.15 +13.85
HOME # 98 Nebraska 89 72 +19.58 -2.58
HOME # 83 Davidson 89 71 +18.20 -0.20
AWAY #224 UNLV 71 53 +22.55 -4.55
AWAY # 37 TCU 86 80 +6.13 -0.13
HOME # 33 Kansas State 90 88 +11.66 -9.66
HOME # 41 Texas Tech 85 68 +12.41 +4.59
AWAY # 57 Oklahoma 81 70 +8.63 +2.37
HOME # 22 Oklahoma State 87 80 +8.05 -1.05
AWAY # 15 Iowa State 76 72 +0.30 +3.70
HOME # 60 Texas 79 67 +14.84 -2.84
AWAY # 4 West Virginia 69 85 -3.28 -12.72
AWAY # 6 Kentucky 79 73 -2.94 +8.94
HOME # 17 Baylor 73 68 +6.92 -1.92
HOME # 15 Iowa State 89 92 +6.38 -9.38
AWAY # 33 Kansas State 74 71 +5.58 -2.58
AWAY # 41 Texas Tech 80 79 +6.33 -5.33
HOME # 4 West Virginia 84 80 +2.80 +1.20
AWAY # 17 Baylor 67 65 +0.84 +1.16
HOME # 37 TCU 87 68 +12.21 +6.79
AWAY # 60 Texas 77 67 +8.76 +1.24
HOME # 57 Oklahoma 73 63 +14.71 -4.71
AWAY # 22 Oklahoma State 90 85 +1.97 +3.03
NEUT # 37 TCU 82 85 +9.17 -12.17
NEUT #203 UC Davis 100 62 +24.49 +13.51
NEUT # 34 Michigan State 90 70 +9.04 +10.96
NEUT # 13 Purdue 98 66 +3.16 +28.84
NEUT # 12 Oregon +3.01 0.620 0.620
NEUT # 2 North Carolina -0.90 0.464 0.288
NEUT # 1 Gonzaga -1.65 0.434 0.125
Here is Oregon's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #240 Army 91 77 +26.80 -12.80
AWAY # 17 Baylor 49 66 -2.17 -14.83
HOME #100 Valparaiso 76 54 +16.75 +5.25
NEUT # 59 Georgetown 61 65 +8.68 -12.68
NEUT # 65 Tennessee 69 65 +9.28 -5.28
NEUT # 79 Connecticut 79 69 +11.66 -1.66
HOME # 93 Boise State 68 63 +16.12 -11.12
Div2 Western Oregon 93 54
HOME #330 Savannah State 128 59 +34.71 +34.29
HOME # 55 Alabama 65 56 +11.57 -2.57
HOME #187 Montana 81 67 +23.12 -9.12
NEUT #224 UNLV 83 63 +22.58 -2.58
HOME #104 Fresno State 75 63 +17.03 -5.03
HOME # 14 UCLA 89 87 +3.29 -1.29
HOME # 52 Southern California 84 61 +11.28 +11.72
AWAY #127 Washington 83 61 +13.26 +8.74
AWAY #177 Washington State 85 66 +16.20 +2.80
HOME #225 Oregon State 85 43 +25.64 +16.36
HOME # 53 California 86 63 +11.28 +11.72
HOME # 87 Stanford 69 52 +15.81 +1.19
AWAY # 46 Utah 73 67 +3.95 +2.05
AWAY # 68 Colorado 65 74 +6.81 -15.81
HOME #111 Arizona State 71 70 +18.40 -17.40
HOME # 20 Arizona 85 58 +4.54 +22.46
AWAY # 14 UCLA 79 82 -2.79 -0.21
AWAY # 52 Southern California 81 70 +5.20 +5.80
HOME # 46 Utah 79 61 +10.03 +7.97
HOME # 68 Colorado 101 73 +12.89 +15.11
AWAY # 53 California 68 65 +5.20 -2.20
AWAY # 87 Stanford 75 73 +9.73 -7.73
AWAY #225 Oregon State 80 59 +19.56 +1.44
NEUT #111 Arizona State 80 57 +15.36 +7.64
NEUT # 53 California 73 65 +8.24 -0.24
NEUT # 20 Arizona 80 83 +1.50 -4.50
NEUT #124 Iona 93 77 +16.23 -0.23
NEUT # 44 Rhode Island 75 72 +6.40 -3.40
NEUT # 21 Michigan 69 68 +1.69 -0.69
NEUT # 5 Kansas -3.01 0.380
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7 years 8 months ago #13038
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Education Is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence~Robert Frost
Great summary Asteroid! Thanks as always!
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7 years 8 months ago #13039
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“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
"You Da Man" Asteroid!
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
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7 years 8 months ago #13041
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Focus, execute, play YOUR game, and have some fun.
AZ is nice this time of year......
AZ is nice this time of year......
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7 years 8 months ago #13046
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Got that right, Wheaty!
On all points (speaking as one time resident of the Grand Canyon state)!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Wheatstate Gal wrote: Focus, execute, play YOUR game, and have some fun.
AZ is nice this time of year......
Got that right, Wheaty!
On all points (speaking as one time resident of the Grand Canyon state)!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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