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7 years 9 months ago #11121
by asteroid
Just how many signs will we see in the Octogon tonight with some reference
to "Travelin' Man"? Or "druggie"? Or "Person of Interest"? We really
need these two road games, because the two after that are toss-up games.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 70.3 percent probability of
winning the game. The two teams average 147.9 points, so the suggested final
score is Kansas 76, Kansas State 72. Kansas has played an average of 0.4 points
above expectation, but Kansas State has played an average of 0.6 points above
expectation, which decreases the margin for Kansas to 3.8 points. Kansas and
Kansas State are the conference's two most consistent teams, the Jayhawks being
1 point more consistent than the Wildcats. Kansas has played 5 out of 23 games
below expectation by more than 4 points, corresponding to a 21.7 percent chance
of losing, while Kansas State has played 7 out of 23 games above expectation by
more than 4 points, corresponding to a 30.4 percent chance of winning, with
those two averaging to a 26.1 percent chance of Kansas losing, a tad more
optimistic than the 29.7 percent chance of losing derived from the Sagarin
Predictor ratings. Neither the negative trend for Kansas nor the positive
trend for Kansas State is statistically significant. However, the negative
mental toughness for Kansas and the positive mental toughness for Kansas State
are marginally significant. Recall, though, that a negative mental toughness
hurts you when playing a team stronger than your own, which Kansas State is
not. The positive rating for Kansas State does help them against stronger
teams, however, which Kansas is. The net effect, however, is minimal, making
Kansas a 4.1 point favorite. The new Sagarin "offense-defense" method makes
the margin 3.8 points, with the same final score of Kansas 76, Kansas State 72.
Massey gives Kansas a 3.0 point margin, with a 61 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 76, Kansas State 73.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 7.7 units, but Kansas
State has the better adjusted defense by 1.0 units, which makes the advantage
for Kansas 6.7 units. The average adjusted tempo is 68.4 possessions, which
makes the margin 4.6 points. Subtract the home court advantage, which Sagarin
currently has at 3.1 points, and the margin becomes 1.5 points. The final
score would then be Kansas 74, Kansas State 73, with the rounding working
against the Jayhawks.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 2.5 point margin, with a Vegas implied final score
of Kansas 74.5 (you pick the rounding), Kansas State 72. Among the key
offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in seven of the eight categories;
Kansas State attempts more free throws per field goal attempt. Among the key
defensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in four of the seven categories;
Kansas State holds opponents to fewer points per game, has more steals per
game, and commits fewer personal fouls per game (shades of Iowa State).
Dunkel gives Kansas a 5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is at
3 points, so he is picking Kansas against the spread. His total points is 153,
suggesting a final score of Kansas 79, Kansas State 74, while the Vegas total
is 148, suggesting a final score of Kansas 75.5, Kansas State 72.5 (you pick
the roundings).
Real Time makes Kansas a 4.0 point underdog, with a 40.8 percent probability
of winning the game, and a final score of Kansas 79, Kansas State 83.
Collegiate Basketball News still has Baylor at #1 in the RPI, with Villanova still
at #2. Louisville and North Carolina moved up to #3 and #4, respectively, while
Kansas fell to #5. Oklahoma State is now third in the Big 12 at #29, while West
Virginia fell to #34. Kansas State is #39, with Iowa State right behind at #40.
Dolphin gives Kansas a 2.5 point margin with a 58.6 percent probability of winning,
and a final score of Kansas 74.5 (you pick the rounding), Kansas State 72.
Don Davis gives Kansas a 3.5 point margin, with a 67.3 percent probability of
winning.
Colley gives Kansas a 6.1 point margin using the scaling factor of 42.23
as determined previously and Sagarin's 3.1 point home court advantage.
Whitlock gives Kansas a 2.8 point margin using the scaling factor of 0.730 as
determined previously and Sagarin's 3.1 point home court advantage.
The new and improved BPI gives Kansas a 4.1 point margin, with a 65.3 percent
probability of winning.
The LRMC has Kansas ranked #9, down a spot from where Kansas was ranked before
the Iowa State game.
Seven Overtimes makes Kansas a 2.0 point underdog with a 44 percent probability
of winning the game. The suggested final score is Kansas 73, Kansas State 75.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 1.7 point margin.
There are eight common opponents, all in conference, one of which Kansas has
played twice (Iowa State) and one of which Kansas State has played twice (Baylor)
plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us eleven scores to compare:
KU +12 UT at home ( +8 neutral court)
KSU +3 UT at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +5 KSU on road ( +9 neutral court)
KU +11 OU on road (+15 neutral court)
KSU +11 OU at home ( +7 neutral court)
KU +4 KSU on road ( +8 neutral court)
KU +17 TTU at home (+13 neutral court)
KSU -1 TTU on road ( +3 neutral court)
KU +6 KSU on road (+10 neutral court)
KU +5 BU at home ( +1 neutral court) KU +5 BU at home ( +1 neutral court)
KSU -9 BU at home (-13 neutral court) KSU +2 BU on road ( +6 neutral court)
KU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral court) KU -9 KSU on road ( -5 neutral court)
KU +7 OSU at home ( +3 neutral court)
KSU +8 OSU on road (+12 neutral court)
KU -13 KSU on road ( -9 neutral court)
KU -16 WVU on road (-12 neutral court)
KSU +4 WVU at home ( 0 neutral court)
KU -16 KSU on road (-12 neutral court)
KU +4 ISU on road ( +8 neutral court) KU -3 ISU at home ( -7 neutral court)
KSU -5 ISU on road ( -1 neutral court) KSU -5 ISU on road ( -1 neutral court)
KU +5 KSU on road ( +9 neutral court) KU -10 KSU on road ( -6 neutral court)
KU +6 TCU on road (+10 neutral court)
KSU -6 TCU at home (-10 neutral court)
KU +16 KSU on road (+20 neutral court)
KU +2 KSU at home ( -2 neutral court)
KU -6 KSU on road ( -2 neutral court)
Although six of the eleven comparisons favor Kansas, the average favors
Kansas State by 0.7 points.
Players to watch: Guard Kamau Stokes plays the most minutes and dishes the
most assists, but also commits the most turnovers; guard Barry Brown scores
the most points and is their leading thief; forward D. J. Johnson grabs the
most rebounds and blocks the most shots, but also commits the most personal
fouls. On the Kansas side, word is that Bragg will suit up for the game;
doesn't mean he will play, however.
So, the various prognostications range from a 6.1 point win (Colley) to a
4 point loss (Real Time). That the common opponents favor Kansas State
gives some legitimacy to Real Time and Seven Overtimes, who are the only
other contrarians, and among the less reliable prognosticators. The average
is 2.9 points in favor of Kansas, suggesting a final score of Kansas 75,
Kansas State 72.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 8 # 10 # 9 # 5 # 4 +0.4 6.9 -0.07 +/- 0.22 -0.19 +/- 0.15
Kansas State # 31 # 52 # 30 # 32 # 31 +0.6 7.9 +0.12 +/- 0.25 +0.24 +/- 0.13
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 3 # 1 # 9 # 9 # 7 # 2 # 7 # 3 # 23 # 5 # 23
Kansas State # 27 # 27 # 28 # 46 # 31 # 34 # 32 # 43 # 56 # 39 # 49
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 3 # 3 # 11 # 3 # 4 # 2 # 3 1.134 20-3 # #
Kansas State # 32 # 32 # 29 # 43 # 38 # 32 # 32 0.833 16-7 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 3 # 16 # 8 # 2 # 11 # 16 # 9 # 2 # 4 # 1 # 10 # 14
Kansas State # 40 # 51 # 31 # 46 # 32 # 42 # 27 # 53 # 36 # 51 # 30 # 48
Here is Kansas' season, with the latest season record projection as 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 29 Indiana 99 103 +5.95 -9.95
NEUT # 10 Duke 77 75 +0.17 +1.83
HOME #186 Siena 86 65 +25.09 -4.09
HOME #132 UAB 83 63 +21.39 -1.39
HOME # 50 Georgia 65 54 +12.57 -1.57
HOME #127 NC Asheville 95 57 +21.22 +16.78
HOME #215 Long Beach State 91 61 +26.90 +3.10
HOME # 87 Stanford 89 74 +17.48 -2.48
HOME #257 Kansas City(UMKC) 105 62 +29.56 +13.44
HOME # 88 Nebraska 89 72 +17.51 -0.51
HOME # 79 Davidson 89 71 +16.46 +1.54
AWAY #196 UNLV 71 53 +19.58 -1.58
AWAY # 37 TCU 86 80 +4.72 +1.28
HOME # 30 Kansas State 90 88 +10.07 -8.07
HOME # 38 Texas Tech 85 68 +11.25 +5.75
AWAY # 61 Oklahoma 81 70 +8.41 +2.59
HOME # 21 Oklahoma State 87 80 +7.35 -0.35
AWAY # 19 Iowa State 76 72 +0.43 +3.57
HOME # 60 Texas 79 67 +14.12 -2.12
AWAY # 1 West Virginia 69 85 -5.47 -10.53
AWAY # 4 Kentucky 79 73 -4.90 +10.90
HOME # 14 Baylor 73 68 +5.07 -0.07
HOME # 19 Iowa State 89 92 +6.55 -9.55
AWAY # 30 Kansas State +3.95 0.703
AWAY # 38 Texas Tech +5.13 0.750
HOME # 1 West Virginia +0.65 0.524
AWAY # 14 Baylor -1.05 0.446
HOME # 37 TCU +10.84 0.923
AWAY # 60 Texas +8.00 0.806
HOME # 61 Oklahoma +14.53 0.948
AWAY # 21 Oklahoma State +1.23 0.544
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #304 Western Illinois 82 55 +26.36 +0.64
HOME #187 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 81 68 +18.13 -5.13
HOME #319 Hampton 89 67 +28.11 -6.11
HOME #281 Robert Morris 61 40 +23.96 -2.96
NEUT #133 Boston College 72 54 +11.45 +6.55
NEUT # 39 Maryland 68 69 +1.38 -2.38
HOME #167 Green Bay 80 61 +16.82 +2.18
AWAY #287 Saint Louis 84 53 +18.16 +12.84
HOME #321 Prairie View A&M 74 55 +28.29 -9.29
HOME #181 Washington State 70 56 +17.91 -3.91
AWAY #105 Colorado State 89 70 +6.01 +12.99
HOME #212 Gardner-Webb 67 54 +19.82 -6.82
HOME # 60 Texas 65 62 +7.11 -4.11
AWAY # 9 Kansas 88 90 -10.07 +8.07
HOME # 61 Oklahoma 75 64 +7.52 +3.48
AWAY # 38 Texas Tech 65 66 -1.88 +0.88
HOME # 14 Baylor 68 77 -1.94 -7.06
AWAY # 21 Oklahoma State 96 88 -5.78 +13.78
HOME # 1 West Virginia 79 75 -6.36 +10.36
AWAY # 19 Iowa State 65 70 -6.58 +1.58
AWAY # 49 Tennessee 58 70 -0.58 -11.42
HOME # 37 TCU 80 86 +3.83 -9.83
AWAY # 14 Baylor 56 54 -8.06 +10.06
HOME # 9 Kansas -3.95 0.297
AWAY # 1 West Virginia -12.48 0.130
HOME # 19 Iowa State -0.46 0.482
AWAY # 60 Texas +0.99 0.541
HOME # 21 Oklahoma State +0.34 0.512
AWAY # 61 Oklahoma +1.40 0.559
AWAY # 37 TCU -2.29 0.388
HOME # 38 Texas Tech +4.24 0.700
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7 years 9 months ago #11176
by ElectricHawk
Amazing how close these predictions usually are. 75-72 predicted, actual 74-71. Thank you for doing this! Always enjoy the analysis and look forward to it before each game.
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7 years 9 months ago #11180
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I agree with that. I find it particularly interesting when a game does not follow the expected script but still ends up with a final score very close to what was predicted.
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7 years 9 months ago #11221
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Kansas and Kansas State are the Big 12's two most consistent teams. So if a prediction is going to be close to the actual result, it's most likely to happen with teams as consistent as these.
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