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Self on pace to pass Williams' KU record by year end.
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7 years 11 months ago #9814
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
As we all know by now, Self's career win 600 was his KU win 393. He is just 7 short of 400 wins at KU, and 25 short of tying RW for #2 on KU's all time wins list at 418 (second only to Phog's 590 KU wins).
Bill already has won more conference games at KU than RW did, and he did it in 2 fewer seasons (179 in 13 seasons to 175 in 15 seasons).
With 22 regular season games left in AY2016-17, and a possible 9 post-season games, he could pass RW this year for second place. If KU were to make both the Big 12 Tournament title game and the NCAA Tournament title game this year, KU could lose up to 4 more games during the regular season and Self could still tie or pass Williams at 418.
Also of note, if KU can make the Final Four this year, Self will be one short of tying RW for most FF appearances at KU, and in the same 15 year time frame. (Phog only had 3 FF appearances in the 18 years -- 1939 to 1956 -- he had a chance to get KU there . RW had 4 in 15 years, but of course, Phog won an NC at KU and RW did not, so...).
Best of luck to HCBS and the boys!
Roy Williams in 15 seasons at KANSAS
BILL SELF in his 14th season at KANSAS as of 2016-12-07
22 = Remaining regular season games, 2016-17 (Non Conf: 4, Big 12: 18)
3 = Possible Big 12 Tournament games
6 = Possible NCAA Tournament games
31 = total possible games remaining for AY2016-17
25 = Wins needed for Self to at least tie RW for second with 418 all-time wins at KU.
Bill already has won more conference games at KU than RW did, and he did it in 2 fewer seasons (179 in 13 seasons to 175 in 15 seasons).
With 22 regular season games left in AY2016-17, and a possible 9 post-season games, he could pass RW this year for second place. If KU were to make both the Big 12 Tournament title game and the NCAA Tournament title game this year, KU could lose up to 4 more games during the regular season and Self could still tie or pass Williams at 418.
Also of note, if KU can make the Final Four this year, Self will be one short of tying RW for most FF appearances at KU, and in the same 15 year time frame. (Phog only had 3 FF appearances in the 18 years -- 1939 to 1956 -- he had a chance to get KU there . RW had 4 in 15 years, but of course, Phog won an NC at KU and RW did not, so...).
Best of luck to HCBS and the boys!
Roy Williams in 15 seasons at KANSAS
OVERALL CONFERENCE FF Appearances NCAA TITLES
418-101 0.805 175-49 0.781 1991, 1993, 2002, 2003 none
BILL SELF in his 14th season at KANSAS as of 2016-12-07
OVERALL CONFERENCE FF Appearances NCAA TITLES
393-84 0.824 179-39 0.821 2008, 2012 2008
22 = Remaining regular season games, 2016-17 (Non Conf: 4, Big 12: 18)
3 = Possible Big 12 Tournament games
6 = Possible NCAA Tournament games
31 = total possible games remaining for AY2016-17
25 = Wins needed for Self to at least tie RW for second with 418 all-time wins at KU.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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7 years 11 months ago #9827
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So does Self passing Roy on conference wins well ahead of total wins indicate that a) the conference is weaker than it used to be, or b) Self is scheduling more tough non-conference games? I'm inclined towards tougher non-conference scheduling under Self, but I could be letting the fairly recent Champions Classic cloud my memory.
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7 years 11 months ago #9828
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Recent history has shown the B12 to be one of the tougher conferences in the country, which would refute A -- and which only makes the 12 straight years KU has been champ or co-champ that much more impressive. And remember that KU no longer has NU, CU and mOO to beat up on during the conference season, and has to play a full round robin schedule instead of just the arguably historically weaker B12N opponents 2x while only playing the B12S teams once each season, which would also weaken any argument for A.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
BadgerHawk wrote: So does Self passing Roy on conference wins well ahead of total wins indicate that a) the conference is weaker than it used to be, or b) Self is scheduling more tough non-conference games? I'm inclined towards tougher non-conference scheduling under Self, but I could be letting the fairly recent Champions Classic cloud my memory.
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Recent history has shown the B12 to be one of the tougher conferences in the country, which would refute A -- and which only makes the 12 straight years KU has been champ or co-champ that much more impressive. And remember that KU no longer has NU, CU and mOO to beat up on during the conference season, and has to play a full round robin schedule instead of just the arguably historically weaker B12N opponents 2x while only playing the B12S teams once each season, which would also weaken any argument for A.
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7 years 11 months ago #9829
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This was my feeling also. Just trying to make sure I'm not letting my love of Self color my recollection too much. Have I said how much I love having Self as our coach?
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7 years 11 months ago #9988
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
2003-4 thru 2010-11 (Self's KU years when the Big 12 = 12 teams)
KU versus
B12 South W L
A&M 9 1
BU 8 1
OU 8 1
OSU 7 4
TU 8 5
TT 6 3
subtotal 46 15 .754
B12North
CU 17 0
ISU 14 2
KSU 16 3
MU 14 3
NU 17 1
subtotal 78 9 .897
TOTAL 124 24 .838
2011-12 thru CYTD (Self's KU years when the Big 12 = 10 teams)
TEAM W L
BU 11 2
ISU 8 5
KSU 10 2
OU 8 2
OSU 7 4
TU 9 1
TT 11 0
TCU 8 1
WVU 6 3
Current Teams 78 20 .796
A&M 3 0
MU 1 1
All Teams 82 21 .796
Above data is thru games of 2016-12-18.
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