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8 years 8 months ago #7134
by asteroid
Three down, three to go, and the most difficult three remain. Villanova
is #2 in Sagarin Predictor, so the Regional Final could easily be as good
a game as a National Championship game. Perhaps the one statistic that
stands out is that Villanova has played only six games against the
Sagarin Top 25 and lost half of them. By comparison, Kansas has played
14 games against the Sagarin Top 25 and won 11 of them.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 0.83 point margin, with a 53.3 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 145.0 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 73, Villanova 72. Kansas
has been playing 0.80 points above expectation, but Villanova has been
playing 0.56 points above expectation, which means that the Jayhawks could
be a 1.07 point favorite. Both teams have positive trends, though the
trend for Kansas is almost five times larger and now has some statistical
significance to it. Both teams also have positive mental toughness ratings
that are virtually identical and not statistically significant. Taken at
face value, the margin for Kansas increases to 1.94 points. Villanova has
been slightly more consistent than Kansas. Their best game came at home
against Xavier when they played 23 points above expectation, while their
worst game was the neutral court game against Oklahoma, when they played
25 points below expectation. By comparison, Kansas' best game came on the
road against Texas, when they played almost 25 points above expectation,
while their worst game was the road game against Oklahoma State, when they
played over 30 points below expectation. Villanova has played 17 of 37
games above expectation by more than 0.83 points, which would be enough to
win the Regional Final, corresponding to a 45.9 percent chance of winning.
All three of their tournament games have been above expectation by double
digits following a stretch of six out of seven games played below
expectation. Meanwhile, Kansas has played only 11 of 36 Division I games
below expectation by more than 0.83 points, which would be enough to lose
the Regional Final, corresponding to a 30.6 percent chance of losing.
Those average to a 38.3 percent chance of Kansas losing, considerably better
odds than derived from the Sagarin Predictor ratings shown above.
Massey gives Kansas a 1.0 point margin, with a 51 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 74, Villanova 73.
Pomeroy has Villanova with the better adjusted offense by 2.2 units, but
Kansas has the better adjusted defense by 1.7 units, which combine to a
0.5 units advantage for Villanova. With an average of 68.55 possessions
per game, the margin for the Wildcats works out to 0.34 points. The ratings
suggest a final score of Kansas 73, Villanova 73. Overtime, anyone?
Greenfield gives Kansas a 2.5 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final
score of 74 to 71.5 (you pick the rounding). Among the key offensive stats,
Kansas has the advantage in five of eight categories; Villanova has a higher
average score margin by 1 point per game, dishes 0.9 more assists per game,
and has a smaller turnover percentage by 1 percent. Among the key defensive
stats, Kansas has the advantage in four of seven categories; Villanova holds
opponents to 3.8 fewer points per game, gets 0.3 more steals per game, and
commits 1.8 fewer personal fouls per game.
Dunkel makes Kansas a 2.0 point underdog, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 2.5 points in favor of Kansas, so he is picking Villanova against the
spread. With a total points projection of 140, the implied final score is
Kansas 69, Villanova 71. Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 146, which
would imply a final score of Kansas 74, Villanova 72.
Real Time doesn't have a prediction for today's game. Perhaps just as well,
considering how Real Time produced, on average, the worst predictions during
the conference season.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there.
Dolphin gives Kansas a 1.48 point margin, with a 55.2 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 73, Villanova 71.
Colley's rankings haven't been updated since March 20.
Whitlock still hasn't updated his ratings since March 13, but the previous
ratings differential is 3.76 units in favor of Kansas. Using the scaling
factor of 0.726 determined just before conference play began, Kansas would
have a 2.73 point margin.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 0.7 points in favor
of Villanova, though the BPI hasn't been updated since March 14.
Seven Overtimes gives Kansas just a 1.0 point margin, corresponding to a
52 percent probability of winning the game. The projected final score is
Kansas 73, Villanova 72. Then again, Seven Overtimes produced the second-worst
predictions during the conference season, only marginally better than Real Time.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 3.01 point margin, but he hasn't updated his ratings
since March 13 either.
Haven't received any predictions from the DPPI since the regular season.
There is one common opponent, namely Oklahoma, which Kansas played twice,
giving us two scores to compare:
KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
Vil -23 OU neutral (-23 neutral)
KU +22 Vil neutral (+22 neutral)
KU +4 OU on road ( +8 neutral)
Vil -23 OU neutral (-23 neutral)
KU +31 Vil neutral (+31 neutral)
I think it's safe to say that the comparison isn't fair. Oklahoma really
destroyed Villanova. I really don't expect Kansas to win by the average
shown here, namely 26.5 points, especially considering how easily 'Nova
handled Miami, but I'd be thrilled if the game was anywhere close to being
as easy as a double-digit win.
Players to watch: Guard Ryan Arcidiacono plays the most minutes, dishes the
most assists, and steals the most balls. Guard Josh Hart scores the most
points. Forward Daniel Ochefu grabs the most rebounds and blocks the most
shots. Guard Jalen Brunson commits the most turnovers. Forward Kris Jenkins
commits the most personal fouls. Guard Donte DiVincenzo is out with a foot
injury indefinitely, but only averaged 8 minutes a game.
The average of the various prognostications is 2.97 points in favor of Kansas,
though if you ignore the common opponent, it drops to 1.16 points. The projected
final score would be Kansas 74, Villanova 71.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 1 # 3 # 1 # 1 # 1 +0.8 10.4 +0.19 +/- 0.17 +0.05 +/- 0.18
Villanova # 3 # 27 # 2 # 4 # 3 +0.6 10.0 +0.04 +/- 0.16 +0.07 +/- 0.18
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 5 # 3 # 6 # 1 # 2 # 2 # 1 # 10 # 1 # 6
Villanova # 3 # 10 # 2 # 23 # 3 # 11 # 8 # 6 # 25 # 4 # 17
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 1 # 1 # 1 # 1 # 1 # 1 1.155 33-4 # #
Villanova # 2 # 2 # 3 # 2 # 4 # 2 # 2 0.947 32-5 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 7 # 1 # 9 # 5 # 53 # 1 # 3 # 1 # 5 # 1 # 4
Villanova # 2 # 22 # 5 # 31 # 3 # 71 # 2 # 40 # 3 # 35 # 6 # 46
Here is Kansas' season, including possible future opponents selected from
the highest remaining seed. The chances of winning the National Championship
currently stand at 20 percent. A win today would increase those odds
considerably.
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #308 Northern Colorado 109 72 +35.56 +1.44
NEUT # 3 Michigan State 73 79 +0.83 -6.83
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 63 UCLA 92 73 +12.63 +6.37
NEUT # 21 Vanderbilt 70 63 +6.07 +0.93
HOME #283 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +33.29 -0.29
HOME #156 Harvard 75 69 +24.53 -18.53
HOME #281 Holy Cross 92 59 +33.27 -0.27
HOME # 62 Oregon State 82 67 +15.89 -0.89
HOME #151 Montana 88 46 +24.10 +17.90
AWAY # 44 San Diego State 70 57 +6.76 +6.24
HOME # 95 UC Irvine 78 53 +18.93 +6.07
HOME # 25 Baylor 102 74 +10.48 +17.52
HOME # 8 Oklahoma 109 106 +6.29 -3.29
AWAY # 52 Texas Tech 69 59 +7.86 +2.14
AWAY # 6 West Virginia 63 74 -1.14 -9.86
HOME #126 TCU 70 63 +22.08 -15.08
AWAY # 83 Oklahoma State 67 86 +11.36 -30.36
HOME # 35 Texas 76 67 +12.01 -3.01
AWAY # 24 Iowa State 72 85 +2.98 -15.98
HOME # 9 Kentucky 90 84 +6.44 -0.44
HOME # 48 Kansas State 77 59 +14.18 +3.82
AWAY #126 TCU 75 56 +15.46 +3.54
HOME # 6 West Virginia 75 65 +5.48 +4.52
AWAY # 8 Oklahoma 76 72 -0.33 +4.33
HOME # 83 Oklahoma State 94 67 +17.98 +9.02
AWAY # 48 Kansas State 72 63 +7.56 +1.44
AWAY # 25 Baylor 66 60 +3.86 +2.14
HOME # 52 Texas Tech 67 58 +14.48 -5.48
AWAY # 35 Texas 86 56 +5.39 +24.61
HOME # 24 Iowa State 85 78 +9.60 -2.60
NEUT # 48 Kansas State 85 63 +10.87 +11.13
NEUT # 25 Baylor 70 66 +7.17 -3.17
NEUT # 6 West Virginia 81 71 +2.17 +7.83
NEUT #235 Austin Peay 105 79 +26.40 -0.40
NEUT # 27 Connecticut 73 61 +7.44 +4.56
NEUT # 23 Maryland 79 63 +6.15 +9.85
NEUT # 2 Villanova +0.83 0.533 0.533 probability of Final Four
NEUT # 17 Oregon +5.18 0.686 0.366 probability of Championship Game
NEUT # 4 North Carolina +0.87 0.532 0.195 probability of National Championship
Here is Villanova's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #285 Fairleigh Dickinson 91 54 +32.57 +4.43
HOME # 77 Nebraska 87 63 +16.42 +7.58
HOME #167 East Tennessee State(ETS 86 51 +24.35 +10.65
HOME # 91 Akron 75 56 +17.93 +1.07
NEUT # 89 Stanford 59 45 +14.58 -0.58
NEUT # 51 Georgia Tech 69 52 +10.30 +6.70
AWAY # 47 Saint Joseph's-Pa. 86 72 +6.62 +7.38
NEUT # 8 Oklahoma 55 78 +2.15 -25.15
HOME #262 La Salle 76 47 +30.79 -1.79
AWAY # 5 Virginia 75 86 -3.00 -8.00
HOME #273 Delaware 78 48 +31.87 -1.87
HOME #238 Pennsylvania 77 57 +29.10 -9.10
HOME # 19 Xavier-Ohio 95 64 +7.70 +23.30
AWAY # 42 Creighton 85 71 +5.59 +8.41
HOME # 36 Seton Hall 72 63 +11.25 -2.25
AWAY # 26 Butler 60 55 +3.21 +1.79
HOME # 93 Marquette 83 68 +17.97 -2.97
AWAY # 61 Georgetown 55 50 +8.36 -3.36
AWAY # 36 Seton Hall 72 71 +4.63 -3.63
HOME # 53 Providence 76 82 +13.73 -19.73
AWAY #208 St. John's 68 53 +20.44 -5.44
HOME # 42 Creighton 83 58 +12.21 +12.79
AWAY # 53 Providence 72 60 +7.11 +4.89
AWAY #165 DePaul 86 59 +17.65 +9.35
HOME #208 St. John's 73 63 +27.06 -17.06
AWAY # 92 Temple 83 67 +11.33 +4.67
HOME # 26 Butler 77 67 +9.83 +0.17
AWAY # 19 Xavier-Ohio 83 90 +1.08 -8.08
AWAY # 93 Marquette 89 79 +11.35 -1.35
HOME #165 DePaul 83 62 +24.27 -3.27
HOME # 61 Georgetown 84 71 +14.98 -1.98
NEUT # 61 Georgetown 81 67 +11.67 +2.33
NEUT # 53 Providence 76 68 +10.42 -2.42
NEUT # 36 Seton Hall 67 69 +7.94 -9.94
NEUT #141 NC Asheville 86 56 +19.34 +10.66
NEUT # 22 Iowa 87 68 +5.29 +13.71
NEUT # 15 Miami-Florida 92 69 +4.22 +18.78
NEUT # 1 Kansas -0.83 0.467
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8 years 7 months ago #7138
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I just may tape it, look at the score, then watch the tape.
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8 years 7 months ago #7140
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Hi Mom. I hear you, Girlfriend! I always record (I think I forgot one weekday game this year) just so I can take a break if necessary. One of my habits I'm not particularly proud of..... :blush
But I keep forgetting....we ARE on a mission! (I love the Blues Bros pic that gets posted!)
ROCK CHALK FOREVER!
But I keep forgetting....we ARE on a mission! (I love the Blues Bros pic that gets posted!)
ROCK CHALK FOREVER!
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8 years 7 months ago #7143
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I don't know if I can take these nail biters..hope KU's defense can slow down Villanova. Gawl darn committee always loaded up KU's brackets with land mines.
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8 years 7 months ago #7144
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I had an idea. I thought if I figured out the average game scores of both teams, KU would be higher, hence, the expectation score would mean we would win anyway.
HOWEVER, would you believe with our 105 score, then 73 & 79, it comes out the same as Villanova: 257 for each.
However, Villanova has consistantly been in the 80s.
Is it because we have had a harder road: Connecticut and Maryland
Whereas Villanova has had an easy road: Iowa and Miami
I didn't figure in the first round since those were cupcakes.
I'm going to make myself feel better..... we play harder teams
HOWEVER, would you believe with our 105 score, then 73 & 79, it comes out the same as Villanova: 257 for each.
However, Villanova has consistantly been in the 80s.
Is it because we have had a harder road: Connecticut and Maryland
Whereas Villanova has had an easy road: Iowa and Miami
I didn't figure in the first round since those were cupcakes.
I'm going to make myself feel better..... we play harder teams
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8 years 7 months ago #7146
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"When you have a ruling class that doesn’t believe in — or even much like — the fundamental values of the nations it rules, things tend to work out poorly.”
Glenn Reynolds
When was the last time KU played a 'nail biter?' And when did they lose a 'nail biter?'
"When you have a ruling class that doesn’t believe in — or even much like — the fundamental values of the nations it rules, things tend to work out poorly.”
Glenn Reynolds
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8 years 7 months ago #7156
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Great points, hope KU pulls out the W
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