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SELF's KANSAS RECORD VS. BIG 12 CONFERENCE FOES UPDATED THRU 2016-02-29
TOTAL HOME AWAY NEUTRAL
W L % W L % W L % W L %
CURRENT MEMBERS
BU 18 3 .857 9 0 1.000 8 1 .889 1 2 .333
ISU 21 7 .750 11 1 .917 9 4 .692 1 2 .333
KSU 25 5 .833 12 1 .923 9 4 .692 4 0 1.000
OU 16 3 .842 9 0 1.000 6 3 .667 1 0 1.000
OSU 14 8 .636 8 1 .889 3 6 .333 3 1 .750
TU 17 6 .739 8 1 .889 5 4 .556 4 1 .800
TT 17 3 .850 9 0 1.000 6 3 .667 2 0 1.000
TCU 8 1 .889 4 0 1.000 3 1 .750 1 0 1.000
WVU 5 3 .625 4 0 1.000 1 3 .250 0 0 -
Tot CM 141 39 .783 74 4 .949 50 29 .633 17 6 .739
FORMER MEMBERS*
A&M 12 1 .923 4 1 .800 5 0 1.000 3 0 1.000
MU 15 4 .789 9 0 1.000 5 4 .556 1 0 1.000
CU 17 0 1.000 8 0 1.000 8 0 1.000 1 0 1.000
NU 17 1 .944 8 0 1.000 7 1 .875 2 0 1.000
Tot FM 61 6 .910 29 1 .967 25 5 .833 7 0 1.000
TOTALS 202 45 .818 103 5 .954 75 34 .688 24 6 .800
*Only includes games when Former Members were in the Big 12.
To be updated once the Big 12 Tournament is over.
Note Self's Big 12 Road Record
SELF'S BIG 12 ROAD RECORD
CURRENT MEMBERS
W L %
BU 8 1 0.889
ISU 9 4 0.692
KSU 9 4 0.692
OU 6 3 0.667
OSU 3 6 0.333
TU 5 4 0.556
TT 6 3 0.667
TCU 3 1 0.750
WVU 1 3 0.250
TotCM 50 29 0.633
FORMER MEMBERS
A&M 5 0 1.000
MU 5 4 0.556
CU 8 0 1.000
NU 7 1 0.875
TotFM 25 5 0.833
Totals 75 34 0.688
What are the odds KU would meet another conference team in the NCAAs?
It happened twice in 1988 (KState and OU), but I don't recall any other instances off the top of my head.
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The odds, however, of meeting another conference foe in the Big 12 tourney are roughly 100%.
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Highest odds are if B12F is an 8/9 in the same region -- roughly 50% (100% 1 seed win times 50% 8/9 win). But before selection and seeding are done, the straight odds that a B12F 8/9 seed could end up in KU's region are just 1 in 4, assuming just 1 team is slotted as an 8/9 (which is the case in Lunardi's projections, he has TT an 8 ), so .5x.25 = .125, or 1 in 8
I'll leave it to the real statistician folk to do more than that.
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I have one question, though: I certainly remember the 2013 KU road loss at TCU, but you also show Self as being 8-1 vs. TCU at Allen. My mind recalls every one of the other Allen losses to the teams you cited, but I'm drawing a complete blank as to when, how, and why we ever lost to TCU at home.
Can you provide a recap on that one, just to jog the memory?
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konza63 wrote: This is great stuff, HE. Really appreciate you taking the time to compile and post it.
I have one question, though: I certainly remember the 2013 KU road loss at TCU, but you also show Self as being 8-1 vs. TCU at Allen. My mind recalls every one of the other Allen losses to the teams you cited, but I'm drawing a complete blank as to when, how, and why we ever lost to TCU at home.
Can you provide a recap on that one, just to jog the memory?
Thanks!
Certainly not! No one wants to remember the game that was the worst since KU lost to the Johnson County YWCA team back in Doc Naismith's days!.
Which is another way of saying it never happened, except in that alternate universe of spreadsheet formula copying errors.
I've kept this spreadsheet for years now, and every year I have to add the new year table to the mix and update the formulas in the Summary table to include it. This time around I missed that I had not properly adjusted the summary formulas for TCU and WVU when I copied my original edit to the rest of the summary table. I blame those stinkin' rats that deserted the conference for this -- I wouldn't have the problem to deal with each year if they hadn't jumped ship!
Thanks for the eagle eyes and question, Brother Konza! I always appreciate being able to get the right info published, and I really appreciate a solid proofreader.
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The losses are so rare that it's easy to remember them all, which is why that notional one left me scratching my head.
Thanks again!
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