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I leave Singapore and the hotel with the Internet access shortly after
the Texas game. Doubtful that I'll be able to do anything for the finale
against Iowa State.
Last chance to catch Baylor, who has six road conference wins. And it's
an opportunity to win the conference championship outright. But the
Sooners wilted down the stretch in their Saturday game with Texas. Can
the Jayhawks pull off what Oklahoma failed to do?
Sagarin gives Kansas a 2.7 point margin, with a 60.0 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 144.1 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 73, Texas 71, with the
rounding going in the Longhorns' favor. The Jayhawks have been playing
0.7 points above expectation, while Texas has been playing 0.2 points
above expectation, which means that the Jayhawks could be a 3.2 point
favorite. The trend for Kansas is now flat, while Texas has been showing
some significant improvement. The mental toughness rating for Kansas is
slightly negative while being slightly positive for Texas, though neither
is statistically significant. But taken at face value, the margin for
Kansas is reduced to just 0.4 points. Overtime, anyone? Texas is less
consistent than Kansas. They've played 10 of their 29 games above
expectation by more than 2.7 points, which would be enough to win today's
game. That corresponds to a 34.5 percent chance of winning. Meanwhile,
Kansas has played 7 of 28 Division I games below expectation by more than
2.7 points, which would be enough to lose today's game (but only one of
those occurred in the last nine games, and it was Saturday's contest with
Texas Tech). That corresponds to a 25 percent chance of losing. The two
average to a 29.7 percent chance of Kansas losing, a fair bit more
optimistic than the probability derived from the Sagarin ratings described
above.
Massey gives Kansas a 2.0 point margin, with a 57 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 72, Texas 70.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 5.1 units, as well
as the better adjusted defense by 2.2 units, which combine to a 7.3 units
advantage for Kansas. With an average of 67.7 possessions per game, the
margin for the Jayhawks works out to 4.9 points on a neutral court. Given
Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes a 1.6 point
favorite. The ratings suggest a final score of Kansas 72, Texas 70, in
agreement with Massey.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 1.5 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
of 71 to 70. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in six
of eight categories; Texas attempts marginally more free throws per field
goal attempt and has a smaller turnover percentage. Among the key defensive
stats, Kansas has the advantage in five of seven categories; Texas grabs more
offensive rebounds per game and blocks more shots per game.
Dunkel gives Kansas a 3.5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 1.5 points in favor of Kansas, so he is picking Kansas against the
spread. With a total points projection of 137, the implied final score
is Kansas 70, Texas 67. Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 141.5,
which would imply a final score of Kansas 71.5 (you pick the rounding),
Texas 70.
Real Time makes Kansas a 2.0 point underdog with a final score of
Kansas 74, Texas 76. The probability of winning the game is given
as 46.8 percent.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there. Guess
who is back on top of the RPI rankings?
Dolphin gives Kansas a 1.7 point margin, with a 55.9 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 71, Texas 70, with
the rounding working in the Longhorns' favor.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 8.5 units in favor of Kansas, but we
need to calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling
factor of 0.726 just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick
with that value for consistency purposes. That makes Kansas a 6.1 point
favorite on a neutral court, but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point
home court advantage, Kansas becomes a 2.8 point favorite.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 4.4 points in favor
of Kansas on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court
advantage, and Kansas is a 1.1 point favorite.
Seven Overtimes once again makes Kansas a 2.0 point underdog, corresponding
to a 44 percent probability of winning the game. The projected final score
is 71 to 73.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 0.4 point margin.
DPPI gives Kansas a 4.9 point margin, corresponding to a 63.1 percent
chance of winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 75,
Texas 70. This is based on ratings from Don that are probably out of
date by now.
There are eight common opponents, all from the conference, one of which
Texas has played twice (Iowa State), one of which Kansas has played twice
(Oklahoma State), and six of which both have played twice (the rest of
the conference), in which case I'm using only the home-home and road-road
permutations, plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us 17 scores to
compare:
KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral) KU +9 TT at home ( +5 neutral)
UT -8 TT on road ( -4 neutral) UT +10 TT at home ( +6 neutral)
KU +14 UT on road (+18 neutral) KU -5 UT on road ( -1 neutral)
KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral) KU +9 KSU on road (+13 neutral)
UT +3 KSU at home ( -1 neutral) UT +1 KSU on road ( +5 neutral)
KU +11 UT on road (+15 neutral) KU +4 UT on road ( +8 neutral)
KU +19 TCU on road (+23 neutral) KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral)
UT -1 TCU on road ( +3 neutral) UT +17 TCU at home (+13 neutral)
KU +16 UT on road (+20 neutral) KU -14 UT on road (-10 neutral)
KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral) KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral)
UT +3 ISU at home ( -1 neutral) UT -10 ISU on road ( -6 neutral)
KU -12 UT on road ( -8 neutral) KU -7 UT on road ( -3 neutral)
KU -19 OSU on road (-15 neutral) KU +27 OSU at home (+23 neutral)
UT +5 OSU at home ( +1 neutral) UT +5 OSU at home ( +1 neutral)
KU -20 UT on road (-16 neutral) KU +18 UT on road (+22 neutral)
KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral) KU +10 WV at home ( +6 neutral)
UT +7 WV on road (+11 neutral) UT +7 WV at home ( +3 neutral)
KU -22 UT on road (-18 neutral) KU -1 UT on road ( +3 neutral)
KU +6 BU on road (+10 neutral) KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
UT +8 BU on road (+12 neutral) UT -14 BU at home (-18 neutral)
KU -6 UT on road ( -2 neutral) KU +38 UT on road (+42 neutral)
KU +4 OU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
UT -3 OU on road ( +1 neutral) UT +13 OU at home ( +9 neutral)
KU +3 UT on road ( +7 neutral) KU -14 UT on road (-10 neutral)
KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral)
KU +1 UT on road ( +5 neutral)
Eight of the comparisons favor Kansas, while nine favor Texas. The average,
however, favors Kansas by 0.24 points, mainly on the strength of that Baylor
home game comparison, though the standard deviation is a whopping 15.6 points.
Players to watch: Guard Isaiah Taylor plays the most minutes, scores the
most points, dishes the most assists, and steals the most balls. He would
seem to be the key to the game. Center Cameron Ridley grabs the most
rebounds per game, blocks the most shots, but also commits the most
turnovers. Interesting, because Ridley has been out with a foot injury
for a very long time. Center Prince Ibeh commits the most personal fouls.
The average of the various prognostications is 1.5 points in favor of Kansas.
The projected final score would be Kansas 73, Texas 71, with the rounding
working in Kansas' favor.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 2 # 3 # 2 # 2 # 1 +0.7 10.2 0.00 +/- 0.24 -0.06 +/- 0.19
Texas # 26 # 1 # 31 # 26 # 19 +0.1 11.0 +0.33 +/- 0.24 +0.03 +/- 0.21
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 4 # 4 # 5 # 2 # 2 # 2 # 2 # 13 # 1 # 9
Texas # 20 # 2 # 26 # 1 # 30 # 7 # 34 # 24 # 3 # 20 # 4
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 1 # 2 # 2 # 1 # 1 # 1 1.128 25-4 # #
Texas # 20 # 19 # 23 # 24 # 20 # 19 # 23 1.076 19-10 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 5 # 1 # 14 # 7 # 58 # 2 # 10 # 5 # 10 # 1 # 6
Texas # 25 # 1 # 27 # 1 # 30 # 1 # 29 # 1 # 34 # 4 # 18 # 1
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #310 Northern Colorado 109 72 +34.36 +2.64
NEUT # 1 Michigan State 73 79 -1.04 -4.96
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 52 UCLA 92 73 +10.11 +8.89
NEUT # 16 Vanderbilt 70 63 +3.56 +3.44
HOME #280 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +31.37 +1.63
HOME #168 Harvard 75 69 +23.70 -17.70
HOME #306 Holy Cross 92 59 +33.57 -0.57
HOME # 62 Oregon State 82 67 +14.35 +0.65
HOME #161 Montana 88 46 +23.04 +18.96
AWAY # 63 San Diego State 70 57 +7.72 +5.28
HOME #101 UC Irvine 78 53 +17.82 +7.18
HOME # 26 Baylor 102 74 +9.23 +18.77
HOME # 8 Oklahoma 109 106 +4.71 -1.71
AWAY # 44 Texas Tech 69 59 +5.36 +4.64
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 63 74 -2.83 -8.17
HOME #125 TCU 70 63 +20.51 -13.51
AWAY # 80 Oklahoma State 67 86 +9.45 -28.45
HOME # 31 Texas 76 67 +9.39 -0.39
AWAY # 22 Iowa State 72 85 +1.49 -14.49
HOME # 11 Kentucky 90 84 +5.81 +0.19
HOME # 48 Kansas State 77 59 +12.72 +5.28
AWAY #125 TCU 75 56 +13.79 +5.21
HOME # 5 West Virginia 75 65 +3.89 +6.11
AWAY # 8 Oklahoma 76 72 -2.01 +6.01
HOME # 80 Oklahoma State 94 67 +16.17 +10.83
AWAY # 48 Kansas State 72 63 +6.00 +3.00
AWAY # 26 Baylor 66 60 +2.51 +3.49
HOME # 44 Texas Tech 67 58 +12.08 -3.08
AWAY # 31 Texas +2.67 0.600
HOME # 22 Iowa State +8.21 0.814
Here is Texas' season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 58 Washington 71 77 +4.78 -10.78
HOME #176 Texas A&M-CorpusChristi 67 56 +18.00 -7.00
NEUT # 21 Texas A&M 73 84 -1.51 -9.49
NEUT # 58 Washington 82 70 +4.78 +7.22
NEUT # 35 Michigan 72 78 +0.77 -6.77
HOME # 94 Texas-Arlington 80 73 +10.97 -3.97
HOME #234 Samford 59 49 +22.07 -12.07
HOME #335 UTSA 116 50 +31.16 +34.84
HOME # 6 North Carolina 84 82 -1.88 +3.88
HOME #272 Appalachian State 67 55 +24.89 -12.89
AWAY # 72 Stanford 75 73 +2.88 -0.88
HOME # 30 Connecticut 66 71 +3.30 -8.30
AWAY # 44 Texas Tech 74 82 -0.67 -7.33
HOME # 48 Kansas State 60 57 +6.69 -3.69
AWAY #125 TCU 57 58 +7.76 -8.76
HOME # 22 Iowa State 94 91 +2.18 +0.82
HOME # 80 Oklahoma State 74 69 +10.14 -5.14
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 56 49 -8.86 +15.86
AWAY # 2 Kansas 67 76 -9.39 +0.39
HOME #125 TCU 71 54 +14.48 +2.52
HOME # 16 Vanderbilt 72 58 +0.89 +13.11
AWAY # 26 Baylor 67 59 -3.52 +11.52
HOME # 44 Texas Tech 69 59 +6.05 +3.95
AWAY # 8 Oklahoma 60 63 -8.04 +5.04
AWAY # 22 Iowa State 75 85 -4.54 -5.46
HOME # 5 West Virginia 85 78 -2.14 +9.14
HOME # 26 Baylor 64 78 +3.20 -17.20
AWAY # 48 Kansas State 71 70 -0.03 +1.03
HOME # 8 Oklahoma 76 63 -1.32 +14.32
HOME # 2 Kansas -2.67 0.400
AWAY # 80 Oklahoma State +3.42 0.627
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What already looked like a tough game just got a little more so.
Hope we spoil their final game in Erwin!
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With that in mind, I can see a few different scenarios....we don't NEED to win (the game doesn't mean much despite what HCBS says and won't be seen as a "bad" loss if we don't win). It's much more important for Texas to win not only for Senior Night, but also to stay competitive in that 3 way tie for 3rd place in the league. There's a big difference between 3rd place and 5th place when you look at who you'll play in the conference tourney.
Bottom line, Texas will be coming to play. With the above, along with beating Kansas being a serious "resume builder" for Texas, this game is huge for them, and not-so-huge for us.
If we show up motivated, we can certainly win. The real issue will be for HCBS to find a way to motivate the guys to play flat out despite the quick turnaround from Saturday, travel, and no "need" to win. In our favor, I think that giving the bench so many minutes really helped us. Not only did more guys get to play, more guys got to rest, but it confirmed the emergence of Svi as a threat. So IF any of the starters come in sluggish, we SHOULD have weapons on the bench to compensate.
Final note: I am 100% positive that Shaka Smart will turn Texas basketball into a force in the conference. While Barnes always knew how to them "close", Shaka can take them to the next level. Happy he's in the conference and I hope we kick his butt tonight.
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It's gonna come down to how well HCBS can motivate these guys to come in and put out an "OU@KU" effort. That's a tall order.
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KU can win
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Give the regular guys some court time to keep the juices flowing and the joints loose (oops....talking about me again!)...
.....but let Carlton "bust some moves" ON the court, let Cheick play, Brannen work on some defense...give them some hard game experience in a hostile environment.....
.....NOT throw the game, but IF it won't hurt to lose...give the fledgelings an opportunity to try out those wings.....
just roll your eyes and ignore me......
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InconCEIVable!
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Let's just be glad HCBS is HC and I'm Bayhawk in my man cave.
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We won't have that luxury at Texas. The good news is that I think player-for-player we're as good or better in every position and also have depth. Still, Texas hasn't been losing in Austin, and this one's important to them.
I think rather than coasting through this one, we're going to see Self and the team approach it as they would a Saturday/Sunday game in the tourney after a Thursday/Friday win. In essence it's the exact same setup. Easier (lower seed) team on Saturday (Tech) then a two day turn around away from home to play a higher seed (Texas).
I don't think Self is worried at all about exhausting anybody as long as nobody's getting injured in the process. They'll be done by 11pm EDT and won't have to play again until Saturday afternoon. Plenty of time to recover and prepare.
Now, in an ideal world, we're up 20 at the half and we see Evan Manning getting 10 minutes....but I'm not counting on it.
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NotOstertag wrote: HCBS would never throw a game, nor would he want it to appear that way. I'm still convinced that the only reason we got to see 10 different Jayhawks on the floor in the first half on Saturday was because deep down HCBS knew that Tech was no real match for us, and that he was resting his horses. If we had a beef with Tubby and/or Tech, Self could have played the starters and we'd have won by 40. I think he knew that going in.
We won't have that luxury at Texas. The good news is that I think player-for-player we're as good or better in every position and also have depth. Still, Texas hasn't been losing in Austin, and this one's important to them.
I think rather than coasting through this one, we're going to see Self and the team approach it as they would a Saturday/Sunday game in the tourney after a Thursday/Friday win. In essence it's the exact same setup. Easier (lower seed) team on Saturday (Tech) then a two day turn around away from home to play a higher seed (Texas).
I don't think Self is worried at all about exhausting anybody as long as nobody's getting injured in the process. They'll be done by 11pm EDT and won't have to play again until Saturday afternoon. Plenty of time to recover and prepare.
Now, in an ideal world, we're up 20 at the half and we see Evan Manning getting 10 minutes....but I'm not counting on it.
I like the way you think, NotO!
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Here's to broiling or grill-barbecuing Bevo, Kansas-style!
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In addition, winning in Austin certifies our position as the best team in country, which now is still in question. I really prefer to go into the NCAAs with as much cache as possible, and winning out in the regular season gets us solidly ensconced in the #1 slot in ALL minds, not just the great ones that already know we're the best.
I am very interested to see what Selden does tonight. If we are going to win it all, we will need Selden to play well for at least a few of the games in the NCAAs, and right now he doesn't look good. A solid, if not spectacular, game tonight along with a win creates a real sense of inevitability for us, as well as building Selden's confidence back, which appears to be shot right now.
As such, I am predicting a 5 point win, and I hope I'm discovered to be a bit too conservative!
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I was watching the thunderbirds practice today. They seemed to be skywriting hearts. Think we can get them to add a Roman numeral XII to the routine?USAF Jayhawk wrote: I've found the best quick predictor are the Vegas oddsmakers...they have proven incredibly prescient in the past. They have KU from 2.5 to 4.5 favorites. Let's hope they're right!
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