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Is Grayson Allen the next hated white Duke player?
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Wudda lost nuthin.....EXCEPT today's game!
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Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.
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konza63 wrote: Bilas gets a lot of credit for being bright, but one knock on him is he is also exceptionally opinionated. Forcefully and arrogantly so, sometimes.
Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.
One of the things I have always liked about Bilas was that he always seemed very fair in his assessments and opinions. I didn't always agree with him, but I usually did so, and could appreciate his position when I did not. Lately it seems to me that this has not been the case, that some untoward bias has been working its way into his analyses.
Like you, I am glad that Simon is on the job. If he is not the best in the biz, he is well on his way to being so.
BTW, my comment the other day about my thinking he sounds like Bilas -- confusion on my part. I've come to realize it was Fleming, not Simon, that I was hearing. I do have bad hearing (cc: or subtitles are always on in our house), so I'm putting the blame for any confusion of any kind there.
And that's the truth!
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konza63 wrote: Bilas gets a lot of credit for being bright, but one knock on him is he is also exceptionally opinionated. Forcefully and arrogantly so, sometimes.
Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.
Can't stand Miles and why I generally turn him off. But I am in the Tucson area and was just overloaded with him. Plus heard some stories about him that colored my view of him.
Jay IS opinionated but I think that is one of the things that I like about him.Next to Bobby Knight, he is my favorite one to call a game.
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As for the right call at the time: I'll side with the official on the floor this time. He could have given him a flagrant foul, tossed him from the game, or (as he chose to do) basically avoided escalating it at the end of a meaningless game. I'm ok with that because you don't know what the OTHER guy was doing during the game. I also agree with Coach K-etc that it's getting a LOT more attention because it's Duke. If the same incident happened with a player from Southern Idaho, it wouldn't have survived the first new cycle.
Then again, if you're playing for Duke (or KU or any other influential program) you should know that you're under a bigger spotlight, and if/when you do something stupid, it's going to be a big story. So apart from being a punk, Allen is also a dumb punk.
Now for Marcus Smart analogy: in his last year at OSU, Smart started getting a reputation of being a "flopper". As the season continued, there was a building supply of Smart flopping, falling, and flailing from dubious and non-existent content trying to draw a foul. That's part of the game, of course, but Smart reached and then exceeded a "critical mass" where it suddenly became part of his reputation as a player. The result was twofold: 1.) fans were on him mercilessly everywhere he went, and 2.) the refs took notice and stopped giving him calls (and even T-ed him up a few times if I remember).
Now, Allen has reached the critical mass of being seen as a cheap-shot artist. I'm sure that the fans will take notice wherever Duke plays and I expect some clever interactions. Also, I'd imagine that the refs will also be keeping a tighter eye on him, and it's likely that he's put himself under higher scrutiny than he would have been had he not decided to be an idiot.
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Isn't that the truth....over-saturation can be nauseating. I don't find Miles annoying, yet......
(I'll NEVER get over that loss.... even the Carmelo memory doesn't hurt as much as that loss....never can recall; was it 97?)
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