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Is Grayson Allen the next hated white Duke player?

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8 years 8 months ago #5020 by porthawk
This coming on the heels of him seemingly intentionally tripping the opposing team's player on two occasions.

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8 years 8 months ago #5025 by Bayhawk
I don't much care what color they are, if they play for Puke, then I hate 'em, :evil:

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8 years 8 months ago #5026 by porthawk
Yeah, the headline was a bit sensational, but you got the general idea!

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8 years 8 months ago #5028 by Senex68
There is no "seemingly" in the trips. Allen is a punk, and his coach, the revered Kryshckslzekeskssekkee, has closed his eyes to the punk and his antics. I have always hated Duke, and now the hatred has morphed into disgust. Between the ads Krscyshekci9eskeyee get paid to do and the jobs the basketball honchos give him, his recruiting advantages are ludicrous. Now he's sold his soul for whatever is lighting his candle these days, and it's really going to rebound against him at some point. And in my world, there are no 'white' or 'black' Duke punks. Just plain old fashioned Duke Punks.

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8 years 8 months ago #5036 by Wheatstate Gal
Multi-minute discussion about this yesterday on Morning Game Day. Everyone EXCEPT jay bilas said the punk should have sat today. Benched by Coach "Consonant String"...not the leagues place to take this behavior up. Mr Grecian formula Shudda listened since they got their bottoms handed to 'em today.

Wudda lost nuthin.....EXCEPT today's game! :lol:

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8 years 8 months ago - 8 years 8 months ago #5039 by konza63
Bilas gets a lot of credit for being bright, but one knock on him is he is also exceptionally opinionated. Forcefully and arrogantly so, sometimes.

Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.

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1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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8 years 8 months ago #5041 by HawkErrant

konza63 wrote: Bilas gets a lot of credit for being bright, but one knock on him is he is also exceptionally opinionated. Forcefully and arrogantly so, sometimes.

Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.


One of the things I have always liked about Bilas was that he always seemed very fair in his assessments and opinions. I didn't always agree with him, but I usually did so, and could appreciate his position when I did not. Lately it seems to me that this has not been the case, that some untoward bias has been working its way into his analyses.

Like you, I am glad that Simon is on the job. If he is not the best in the biz, he is well on his way to being so.

BTW, my comment the other day about my thinking he sounds like Bilas -- confusion on my part. I've come to realize it was Fleming, not Simon, that I was hearing. I do have bad hearing (cc: or subtitles are always on in our house), so I'm putting the blame for any confusion of any kind there.

And that's the truth!

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8 years 8 months ago #5056 by sasnak

konza63 wrote: Bilas gets a lot of credit for being bright, but one knock on him is he is also exceptionally opinionated. Forcefully and arrogantly so, sometimes.

Yet another reason why I've come to really like Miles Simon doing color for NCAA games...because he exhibits none of that.


Can't stand Miles and why I generally turn him off. But I am in the Tucson area and was just overloaded with him. Plus heard some stories about him that colored my view of him.
Jay IS opinionated but I think that is one of the things that I like about him.Next to Bobby Knight, he is my favorite one to call a game.

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8 years 8 months ago #5064 by NotOstertag
I haven't followed Duke that closely this year, but obviously this was all over the news. Seems its the 2nd time he's been caught doing this (I say "caught" because if you've been nailed doing this twice, there's probably other instances where you got away with it).

As for the right call at the time: I'll side with the official on the floor this time. He could have given him a flagrant foul, tossed him from the game, or (as he chose to do) basically avoided escalating it at the end of a meaningless game. I'm ok with that because you don't know what the OTHER guy was doing during the game. I also agree with Coach K-etc that it's getting a LOT more attention because it's Duke. If the same incident happened with a player from Southern Idaho, it wouldn't have survived the first new cycle.

Then again, if you're playing for Duke (or KU or any other influential program) you should know that you're under a bigger spotlight, and if/when you do something stupid, it's going to be a big story. So apart from being a punk, Allen is also a dumb punk.

Now for Marcus Smart analogy: in his last year at OSU, Smart started getting a reputation of being a "flopper". As the season continued, there was a building supply of Smart flopping, falling, and flailing from dubious and non-existent content trying to draw a foul. That's part of the game, of course, but Smart reached and then exceeded a "critical mass" where it suddenly became part of his reputation as a player. The result was twofold: 1.) fans were on him mercilessly everywhere he went, and 2.) the refs took notice and stopped giving him calls (and even T-ed him up a few times if I remember).

Now, Allen has reached the critical mass of being seen as a cheap-shot artist. I'm sure that the fans will take notice wherever Duke plays and I expect some clever interactions. Also, I'd imagine that the refs will also be keeping a tighter eye on him, and it's likely that he's put himself under higher scrutiny than he would have been had he not decided to be an idiot.

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8 years 8 months ago #5073 by Wheatstate Gal
SAS and Bosco--

Isn't that the truth....over-saturation can be nauseating. I don't find Miles annoying, yet......

(I'll NEVER get over that loss.... even the Carmelo memory doesn't hurt as much as that loss....never can recall; was it 97?)

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8 years 8 months ago #5090 by mtnMan
Yes, your painful memory is from '97. That was painful for me also, but Jo Jo NOT being on the line when he lofted that beautiful shot remains my most painful

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