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Why do refs let WVU mug the opposition?

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8 years 8 months ago #4979 by HawkErrant
Watching WVU at OSU and not really expecting anything but a WVU win, but holy Moses, it's just not fair how the refs let WVU get away with clobbering people and then call touch fouls on their foes. Especially with the attention to cleaning up the game this year. :huh: I swear it makes me think that money changes hands behind the scenes. :whistle: If they called WVU properly, those bozos would not be a "top tier" team. :S

Disgusting. :angry: :huh: :sick: :blink: :blush: :angry:

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8 years 8 months ago #4982 by konza63
I don't know myself. But I would hypothesize that's probably the reason why they fare well in the Big 12, but never go to deep in the Dance, where the calls tend to not favor that style of play.

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8 years 8 months ago #4985 by HawkErrant

konza63 wrote: I don't know myself. But I would hypothesize that's probably the reason why they fare well in the Big 12, but never go to deep in the Dance, where the calls tend to not favor that style of play.


And I would totally agree with you on that point -- which really aggravates me because their flops -- along with our far too many early exits, as well as those of others -- help perpetuate the myth that the conference is really not that tough.

And with the supposed emphasis on making the game run smoother (cleaning up the nasty play), we really should have no reason to be talking about this today -- and yet here we are.

Frustrating! :blink: :angry: :huh:

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8 years 8 months ago #4986 by minerscoach
I think they are so aggressive and often cause their opponents to play timid. Officials always seem to reward the aggressive team. If teams play soft they get beat by both the defensive pressure and the lack of calls by the officials.

I totally agree that they seem to have less success in the tourney. I think this is due to running into teams with good guard play and maybe some officials that call it differently outside of conference play.
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8 years 8 months ago #4994 by Senex68
You watch the games they play and if you have more than 10 functioning brain cells, you must conclude that the refs call the games the way they do for one of three reasons. Or perhaps two of three, or maybe even all three. 1. they are inept; 2. they are crooked; 3. they realize that if they call all of the fouls that WVU commits, they would foul out the entire team in 20 minutes or less.

Would someone tell me which one of the three, of which ONES of the three are, in fact, the 'why' in all of this. I've heard every kind of pseudo-explanation, but to this point nobody has actually provided something believable.

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8 years 8 months ago #4999 by HawkErrant
If they fouled out the entire team in 20 minutes, Huggins would either learn how to coach without teaching thuggery or be out of a job very quickly, as his teams would forfeit every game.

But to be fair, I find something appealing in all three reasons. I like 1 and 3 best because I fear, given the history of the game over the decades, that 2 is probably not off the mark in more cases than we would like to admit. And it only takes one ref on a crew of three to steer the results in a desired direction. And we all know of "that" ref that seems to repeatedly make the darnedest calls -- or no calls, as the case may be.

No matter which one or combination thereof, it's disheartening to contemplate. :(

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8 years 8 months ago #5010 by minerscoach
As a coach, you play a style that allows you to compete. WV does not have the talent that we have, so Huggy has implemented a style that relies on physical, aggressive play. He knows all fouls will not be called and it works for him.

Actually, I remember Self's Illini teams playing much the same way only in the half court. The old Arkansas teams with 40 minutes of hell also come to mind. The Big East used to play this style consistently.

I think having WV play with this style is good for us. It prepares us for teams that we may see come tourney time and makes us man up. Not all games can be pretty, we must be able to win the ugly ones.

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8 years 8 months ago #5018 by HawkErrant
I don't disagree with any of your comments, minerscoach. I understand why they play that style, and agree that seeing it will benefit us down the road.

But your response does not address my question, which was why, especially with the renewed emphasis this year on cleaning up the game by calling it properly, are the refs letting them get away with it?

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8 years 8 months ago #5027 by Senex68
I am in complete agreement with Eric on this issue. It's not 'why,' but rather 'why don't the refs do their stinking job?' Are they operating by a variable set of rules? Do some fouls get called on one team which plays 'nice,' and the same fouls are not called on the 'bullies?' I always believed that a foul is a foul, and it's the refs job to call it when he sees it. Is this not true? Are refs told to allow certain teams to get away with fouls to a greater degree than others? That is what I don't understand. I watch a lot of basketball, and although we all recognize that different refs call fouls differently, they generally call fouls. Except, of course, when they are working a West Virginia game. Again, I ask 'Why?'

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8 years 8 months ago #5029 by minerscoach
Not sure why they are not called, but in watching them play I do know they play very physical with their lower bodies and not as much with their hands. Much of the new rules focus on hand checks and arm bars. Those are automatics. Physical play with the lower bodies are more open to interpretation. I totally agree that they get away with fouling at a high rate, but I also think officials are looking at points of emphasis and WV is coached to play physical and not commit the fouls that will be automatically called.

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