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8 years 9 months ago #4539
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ADVANCE WARNING: This Saturday, I'll be getting on an airplane to go
see the total solar eclipse over Indonesia. If I'm not in panic mode
getting ready for the trip, I'll post the usual predictions for the Texas
Tech game, but don't count on game predictions for the Big Monday Texas
game and the season finale with Iowa State. Also, I'll still be on travel
during the Big 12 tournament, so there might not be any game predictions
for those either. If I have Internet access and the time, I'll try to
do what I can, but if you'll suffer from withdrawal symptoms, see your
doctor for a prescription now.
Today's game is currently the most difficult one remaining on the
schedule, though the final road tilt in Austin is nearly comparable.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 2.7 point margin, with a 59.4 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 148.7 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 76, Baylor 73. Kansas has
been playing 0.7 points above expectation, while Baylor has been playing
0.2 points above expectation, which means that the Jayhawks could be a
3.2 point favorite. Seven straight above-expectation performances have
finally negated the five straight below-expectation performances that
preceded them, and the trend for Kansas is now marginally positive, though
not statistically significant. The Bears have a negative trend, but also
not statistically significant. Both teams have a negative mental toughness
rating, comparable in both size and uncertainty. Taken at face value, the
margin for Kansas becomes 3.9 points. Baylor is the least consistent team
in the Big 12. The Bears have played 10 out of 26 Division I games above
expectation by more than 2.7 points, which would be enough to win today's
game. That corresponds to just a 38.5 percent probability of winning.
However, 3 of those 10 have been in their last 4 games. Meanwhile, Kansas
has played more than 2.7 points below expectation in just 6 of their 26
Division I games, which would be enough to lose today's game, though the
last time it happened was 8 games ago. That corresponds to a 23.1 percent
probability of losing. Those average to a 30.8 percent probability of
Kansas losing, a fair bit more optimistic than the probability based on
the Sagarin Predictor ratings shown above.
Massey gives Kansas a 2.0 point margin, with a 56 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 79, Baylor 77.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 0.3 units, as well
as the better adjusted defense by 6.6 units, which combine to a 6.9 units
advantage for Kansas. With an average of 68.8 possessions per game, the
margin for the Jayhawks works out to 4.7 points on a neutral court. Given
Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes a 1.4 point
favorite. The ratings suggest a final score of Kansas 75, Baylor 74.
Greenfield gives Kansas a 2.0 point margin, with a Vegas Implied final score
of 76 to 74. Among the key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in five
of eight categories; Baylor dishes more assists per game, has a higher
offensive rebound percentage, and attempts marginally more free throws per
field goal attempt. Among the key defensive stats, Kansas has the advantage
in four of seven categories; Baylor grabs more offensive rebounds per game,
steals more balls per game, and marginally commits fewer fouls per game.
Kansas is now Greenfield's #1 team.
Dunkel makes Kansas a 1.5 point underdog, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 2.0 points in favor of Kansas, so he is obviously picking Baylor against
the spread. With a total points projection of 156, the implied final score
is Kansas 77, Baylor 79. Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 150.0,
which would imply a final score of Kansas 76, Baylor 74.
Real Time makes Kansas a 2.0 point underdog with a final score of
Kansas 76, Baylor 78. The probability of winning the game is given
as 45.8 percent.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there. Guess
who is back on top of the RPI rankings?
Dolphin gives Kansas a 2.8 point margin, with a 59.4 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 77, Baylor 75, with
the rounding working in the Bears' favor.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 8.0 units in favor of Kansas, but we
need to calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling
factor of 0.726 just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick
with that value for consistency purposes. That makes Kansas a 5.8 point
favorite on a neutral court, but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point
home court advantage, Kansas becomes a 2.5 point favorite.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 4.5 points in favor
of Kansas on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court
advantage, and Kansas is a 1.2 point favorite.
Seven Overtimes once again makes Kansas a 1.0 point underdog, corresponding
to a 47 percent probability of winning the game. The projected final score
is 74 to 75.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 0.4 point margin. The Jayhawks are his #1 team.
DPPI gives Kansas a 1.6 point margin.
There are nine common opponents, eight from the conference, plus Vanderbilt,
three of which Baylor has played twice (Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Texas),
three of which Kansas has played twice (TCU, Oklahoma, and West Virginia),
and two of which both have played twice (Oklahoma State and Kansas State),
in which case I'm using only the home-home and road-road permutations, plus
the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us 18 scores to compare:
KU +7 Van neutral ( +7 neutral)
BU +2 Van at home ( -2 neutral)
KU +5 BU on road ( +9 neutral)
KU +27 OSU at home (+23 neutral) KU -19 OSU on road (-15 neutral)
BU +17 OSU at home (+13 neutral) BU +4 OSU on road ( +8 neutral)
KU +6 BU on road (+10 neutral) KU -27 BU on road (-23 neutral)
KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral) KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral)
BU +5 ISU on road ( +9 neutral) BU +9 ISU at home ( +5 neutral)
KU -22 BU on road (-18 neutral) KU -18 BU on road (-14 neutral)
KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +19 TCU on road (+23 neutral)
BU +28 TCU at home (+24 neutral) BU +28 TCU at home (+24 neutral)
KU -25 BU on road (-21 neutral) KU -5 BU on road ( -1 neutral)
KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral) KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral)
BU +3 TT on road ( +7 neutral) BU -18 TT at home (-22 neutral)
KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral) KU +32 BU on road (+36 neutral)
KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral) KU +9 KSU on road (+13 neutral)
BU +7 KSU at home ( +3 neutral) BU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral)
KU +7 BU on road (+11 neutral) KU -5 BU on road ( -1 neutral)
KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral) KU +4 OU on road ( +8 neutral)
BU -10 OU at home (-14 neutral) BU -10 OU at home (-14 neutral)
KU +9 BU on road (+13 neutral) KU +18 BU on road (+22 neutral)
KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral) KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral)
BU -8 UT at home (-12 neutral) BU +14 UT on road (+18 neutral)
KU +13 BU on road (+17 neutral) KU -17 BU on road (-13 neutral)
KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral) KU +10 WV at home ( +6 neutral)
BU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral) BU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral)
KU -4 BU on road ( 0 neutral) KU +9 BU on road (+13 neutral)
KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
KU +20 BU on road (+24 neutral)
Ten of the comparisons favor Kansas, while eight favor Baylor. The average,
however, favors Baylor by 0.06 points, though the standard deviation is a
whopping 16.7 points.
Players to watch: Guard Lester Medford plays the most minutes, dishes the
most assists, and is their leading thief. Forward Taurean Prince is their
leading scorer, but also commits the most turnovers. Forward Rico Gathers
gathers (pun intended) the most rebounds. Forward Johnathan Motley blocks
the most shots, but also commits the most personal fouls.
The average of the various prognostications is 1.3 points in favor of Kansas.
The projected final score would be Kansas 75, Baylor 74, in agreement with
Pomeroy.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 3 # 5 # 4 # 2 # 2 +0.7 10.6 +0.02 +/- 0.28 -0.07 +/- 0.20
Baylor # 24 # 19 # 28 # 24 # 18 +0.2 11.9 -0.13 +/- 0.32 -0.09 +/- 0.20
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 2 # 7 # 4 # 7 # 1 # 2 # 5 # 2 # 19 # 1 # 10
Baylor # 16 # 22 # 25 # 19 # 28 # 18 # 37 # 17 # 32 # 20 # 17
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 1 # 2 # 3 # 1 # 1 # 1 1.115 23-4 # #
Baylor # 14 # 14 # 29 # 22 # 20 # 17 # 17 0.914 20-7 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 3 # 8 # 2 # 18 # 9 # 64 # 3 # 12 # 3 # 8 # 1 # 6
Baylor # 22 # 27 # 24 # 40 # 33 # 52 # 38 # 30 # 42 # 43 # 19 # 9
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #312 Northern Colorado 109 72 +34.61 +2.39
NEUT # 1 Michigan State 73 79 -0.57 -5.43
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 48 UCLA 92 73 +9.35 +9.65
NEUT # 19 Vanderbilt 70 63 +4.14 +2.86
HOME #284 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +31.55 +1.45
HOME #178 Harvard 75 69 +24.07 -18.07
HOME #299 Holy Cross 92 59 +33.06 -0.06
HOME # 65 Oregon State 82 67 +14.65 +0.35
HOME #166 Montana 88 46 +23.22 +18.78
AWAY # 62 San Diego State 70 57 +7.79 +5.21
HOME #103 UC Irvine 78 53 +18.12 +6.88
HOME # 28 Baylor 102 74 +9.32 +18.68
HOME # 7 Oklahoma 109 106 +4.42 -1.42
AWAY # 45 Texas Tech 69 59 +5.27 +4.73
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 63 74 -2.62 -8.38
HOME #128 TCU 70 63 +20.47 -13.47
AWAY # 75 Oklahoma State 67 86 +9.00 -28.00
HOME # 34 Texas 76 67 +9.78 -0.78
AWAY # 22 Iowa State 72 85 +1.84 -14.84
HOME # 11 Kentucky 90 84 +5.63 +0.37
HOME # 47 Kansas State 77 59 +12.33 +5.67
AWAY #128 TCU 75 56 +13.83 +5.17
HOME # 5 West Virginia 75 65 +4.02 +5.98
AWAY # 7 Oklahoma 76 72 -2.22 +6.22
HOME # 75 Oklahoma State 94 67 +15.64 +11.36
AWAY # 47 Kansas State 72 63 +5.69 +3.31
AWAY # 28 Baylor +2.68 0.594
HOME # 45 Texas Tech +11.91 0.901
AWAY # 34 Texas +3.14 0.616
HOME # 22 Iowa State +8.48 0.817
Here is Baylor's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME # 87 Stephen F. Austin 97 55 +10.50 +31.50
AWAY # 24 Oregon 67 74 -3.54 -3.46
HOME #252 Jackson State 77 60 +23.24 -6.24
HOME #331 Savannah State 100 61 +30.49 +8.51
HOME #248 Arkansas State 94 72 +23.04 -1.04
HOME #342 Prairie View A&M 80 41 +32.83 +6.17
HOME # 19 Vanderbilt 69 67 +1.46 +0.54
HOME #316 Northwestern State 75 62 +28.74 -15.74
Div2 Hardin-Simmons 104 59
AWAY # 21 Texas A&M 61 80 -5.05 -13.95
HOME #118 New Mexico State 85 70 +13.76 +1.24
HOME #199 Texas Southern 72 59 +19.72 -6.72
AWAY # 4 Kansas 74 102 -9.32 -18.68
HOME # 75 Oklahoma State 79 62 +9.64 +7.36
AWAY # 22 Iowa State 94 89 -4.16 +9.16
HOME #128 TCU 82 54 +14.47 +13.53
AWAY # 45 Texas Tech 63 60 -0.73 +3.73
HOME # 47 Kansas State 79 72 +6.33 +0.67
HOME # 7 Oklahoma 72 82 -1.58 -8.42
AWAY # 75 Oklahoma State 69 65 +3.00 +1.00
HOME # 78 Georgia 83 73 +9.85 +0.15
HOME # 34 Texas 59 67 +3.78 -11.78
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 69 80 -8.62 -2.38
AWAY # 47 Kansas State 82 72 -0.31 +10.31
HOME # 45 Texas Tech 66 84 +5.91 -23.91
HOME # 22 Iowa State 100 91 +2.48 +6.52
AWAY # 34 Texas 78 64 -2.86 +16.86
HOME # 4 Kansas -2.68 0.406
AWAY #128 TCU +7.83 0.768
AWAY # 7 Oklahoma -8.22 0.217
HOME # 5 West Virginia -1.98 0.431
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8 years 9 months ago #4542
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Have a great trip, Asteroid!
You hate early games.....I hate predicted close games! I'm getting too old for this.
Rock Chalk!
You hate early games.....I hate predicted close games! I'm getting too old for this.
Rock Chalk!
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8 years 9 months ago #4543
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"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
Safe travels, Asteroid. We'll let the lame excuse of "traveling to Indonesia to see an eclipse" excuse slide. If I had a dollar for everytime somebody pulls that one....
Seriously, appreciated as always with the predictions. If we can win tonight, we only need to go 1 for 3 to finish, which I predict we can do.
Seriously, appreciated as always with the predictions. If we can win tonight, we only need to go 1 for 3 to finish, which I predict we can do.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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8 years 9 months ago #4546
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Deborah
Asteroid--
Have a great trip. Last full solar eclipse I saw was off the coast of Venezuela and was quite a memorable trip. Very glad we went to the trouble and hope your trip is as memorable and positive. We will somehow carry on without you and your predictions, but it won't be as fun!
Thanks.
Have a great trip. Last full solar eclipse I saw was off the coast of Venezuela and was quite a memorable trip. Very glad we went to the trouble and hope your trip is as memorable and positive. We will somehow carry on without you and your predictions, but it won't be as fun!
Thanks.
Deborah
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8 years 9 months ago #4550
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Have a safe but exciting experience in Indonesia!
We'll manage (somehow) to survive while you are gone.
A hui hou!
We'll manage (somehow) to survive while you are gone.
A hui hou!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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8 years 9 months ago #4551
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If you stop in Bali, I will be jealous. Stopped there a few times traveling between Hong Kong and Australia in a previous life.
Appreciate all you do. In the absence of a prognostication we will assume it to be a Jayhawk blowout and not worth the time
Happy trails.
Appreciate all you do. In the absence of a prognostication we will assume it to be a Jayhawk blowout and not worth the time
Happy trails.
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8 years 9 months ago #4552
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Thanks asteroid. Man oh Man, there are no easy stops in this league.
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