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8 years 9 months ago #4354 by CorpusJayhawk
Diallo and Bragg were....how do I say this nicely...pathetic. We really suffered with Lucas and Ellis both out for so many minutes. Lucas had the best delta. Traylor had decent game. Super nice game by Mykailiuk.
Game No. ------>     27            
Date:  2/20/2016
Opponent: Kansas St.
Location:  Manhattan (Bramlage Coliseum)
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Rnk  Player         Min   %Min  (+/-)     Min      x-Min    x(+/-)  x-Min       Δ  
***  ************  ****  ****  ******    *******   *****  *******  *******   *******
  1  Lucas         14.4   36%      14      0.973    25.6       -5   -0.195     1.169
  2  Mykhailiuk    19.2   48%      13      0.678      21       -4   -0.192     0.870
  3  Mason         33.8   85%      11      0.325       6       -2   -0.323     0.648
  4  Selden        32.8   82%      11      0.335       7       -2   -0.279     0.614
  5  Traylor       15.7   39%       7      0.447      24        2    0.082     0.365
  6  Ellis         29.7   74%       8      0.270      10        1    0.097     0.173
  7  Self           0.0    0%       0      0.000      40        9    0.225    -0.225
  8  Vick           0.0    0%       0      0.000      40        9    0.225    -0.225
  9  Young          0.0    0%       0      0.000      40        9    0.225    -0.225
 10  Manning        0.0    0%       0      0.000      40        9    0.225    -0.225
 11  Greene         5.0   13%      -2     -0.397      35       11    0.315    -0.712
 12  Graham        31.1   78%       2      0.064       9        7    0.789    -0.725
 13  Bragg         11.5   29%      -9     -0.781      28       18    0.632    -1.413
 14  Mickelson      4.8   12%      -6     -1.254      35       15    0.426    -1.680
 15  Diallo         2.0    5%      -4     -1.983      38       13    0.342    -2.326
                      
2016 Season Total                      
Through  27  Games                  
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Rnk  Player       Min   %Min  (+/-)      Min      x-Min    x(+/-)  x-Min       Δ  
***  ************  ****  ****  ******    *******   *****  *******  *******   *******
  1  Mickelson      175   16%     112      0.640     925      270    0.292     0.349
  2  Ellis          819   74%     340      0.415     281       42    0.149     0.266
  3  Selden         791   72%     335      0.424     309       47    0.152     0.272
  4  Mykhailiuk     320   29%     167      0.522     780      215    0.276     0.246
  5  Lucas          401   36%     177      0.441     699      205    0.293     0.148
  6  Mason          897   82%     309      0.345     203       73    0.359    -0.014
  7  Bragg          256   23%      69      0.270     844      313    0.371    -0.101
  8  Greene         296   27%      97      0.328     804      285    0.354    -0.027
  9  Diallo         172   16%      37      0.215     928      345    0.372    -0.157
 10  Vick            77    7%      10      0.129    1023      372    0.364    -0.235
 11  Graham         876   80%     246      0.281     224      136    0.607    -0.326
 12  Traylor        351   32%      29      0.083     749      353    0.471    -0.388
 13  Manning         26    2%      -3     -0.116    1074      385    0.358    -0.474
 14  Young           18    2%      -7     -0.394    1082      389    0.359    -0.753
 15  Self            26    2%      -8     -0.307    1074      390    0.363    -0.670

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8 years 9 months ago #4356 by hairyhawk
This just shows how important LL is for us.This is doubly true when the other team is trying to muddy it up and zebras are letting them.

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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #4364 by konza63
All the guys in "+" territory contributed in very important ways. And all of the guys in "-" territory were complete drags and liabilities on our performance.

For the "+" guys:

* Devonte actually came on late in a big way, such that the "eye test" would bump him up just a bit in terms of his significance to the win. He was just "neutral" for most of the game--not doing anything scoring-wise, but running decent point and playing good D. But then he really came up big late with that key 2-pointer and the free throws.

* Lucas was just huge, and we really suffered when he was out. The guy has become a versatile rebounding machine, and he is now scoring very effectively when near the rim as well. He contributed to a beautiful pick and roll on one point and finished like a man. The kid has clearly turned a corner, and we're all the better for it.

* Svi was the man in the first half with those killer threes...and UNLIKE GREENE, HE CAN PLAY DEFENSE! I watched him like a hawk on the defensive end, and it was textbook man to man. Just outstanding, and 180 different from Brannen. He came up huge, despite the missed shots in the 2nd half, and really was a key cog in this win.

* Ellis going down to injury also really undercut us (no-brainer there). He was having a really nice game.

* Frank was a liability for the opening part of the game (including on defense), but man, did he turn it on. He was Sherron-like and Tyshawn-like for big spurts, and is arguably the toughest little dude to wear a KU uniform. I can't think of any that were tougher. (And that behind the back driving layup in transition was a highlight play for the ages)

* Selden played well. He was missing some threes, but did other important things, which is precisely what we needed him to do. He contributed great energy and made some big plays.

* Jamari played a really, really solid game. Yes, he had a turnover or two, but he really brought it tonight. And that thunderous dunk was a very big play. Who doesn't think that he was thinking about that T-boning fan from last year when he about ripped the rim off? :woohoo: :evil: :woohoo:

As for the "-" guys:

* Bragg was a complete train wreck, and single-handedly helped the Grapes get back in it with 3 straight bad moves in successive offensive-defensive possessions. He also got pushed around under the bucket, and took a very ill-advised long 2 shot with only a few seconds off the shot clock when we needed to be running clock.

* Diallo was putrid. Still not getting it. Based on his and Bragg's performance, and coupled with the performance of Lucas (and Traylor), it's patently obvious now that Self has been making the right call all along in going with the seasoned guys for the bulk of minutes. This was a big game that we needed to win, and experienced players were key. And when said experienced players got in foul trouble (or hurt), we suffered big-time with our bench options in the 4/5 spots.

* Mickelson did little to nothing to impact the game in the time he was in. He didn't kill us, but didn't certainly didn't help us. And the fact that he was -6 when in tells you that he probably did more than not help us (in the negative) since we didn't execute well at all when he was out there.

* Greene deserved worse than a -2 with the eye test. He passed up key 3s, turned the ball over on travels and what-not, and played his usual stand-up, poor lateral mobility D. He was single-handedly responsible for at least 3 help D breakdowns caused by him losing his man. I guess the pressure of going to Bramlage after Dunk-gate got to him?

My take on the +/- numbers. Curious if others saw it the same way.

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8 years 9 months ago #4365 by CorpusJayhawk
When Landen and Perry went out they went exclusively to Hurt and DJ Johnson. Traylor did decently but the other bigs were just not ready for prime time tonight.

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8 years 9 months ago #4370 by murphyslaw
I thought Mickeleson's saving grace was his key play toward the end of the game, disrupting a K-State player's dribble and causing a TO.
That stop was crucial, IMHO.

(I hope I didn't confuse Mickelson with Svi--Did I?)

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8 years 9 months ago #4371 by CorpusJayhawk
You are correct. Mickelson had a really nice defensive play. But overall the Jayhawks were out of sync when he was in the game.

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8 years 9 months ago #4428 by SED
Love Coaches statement on that play: 'You can't fish and miss'. Lots of times that overplay and strip is called a foul and, if not and the swipe misses, the reaching player is out of position/off balance and allows the now open dunk opportunity. However, it worked perfectly this time at a crucial point of the game. People who haven't experienced a high ankle sprains probably don't realize how awfully it impacts a players balance/core, mindset (worried about re-injury or re-rolling of the ankle) and conditioning (can't run, can't ride stationary bike) during long convalescence. I'm glad to see Hunter getting gradually back into games as he will be needed in the remaining season rotation when Landen gets early whistles. At this point, the pup Diallo hasn't yet shown the maturity, size and patience to bang with the Division I bigs. If he stays (as he should in my selfish opinion), I think Cheick can work into something special and leaves me salivating about next year, with the developing Carlton (another pup) and Dwight down low, with the returning lads. That said, there's a LOT of hoops left for this team this season and we need Perry healthy for another remarkable run. Brannen may have lost his spot off the bench to Svi after this game, but I like the competition for that position. They both are realizing that their hunger for playing time will be fed by doing what Coach wants them to do.. Now, let's get ready for the Waco Bears. RCJGKU. .

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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #4431 by Hawknmo
* Mickelson did little to nothing to impact the game in the time he was in. He didn't kill us, but didn't certainly didn't help us. And the fact that he was -6 when in tells you that he probably did more than not help us (in the negative) since we didn't execute well at all when he was out there.

Pretty strong stuff Konza. HCBS might not agree with you 100%. "Of Mickelson’s play, Self said: “We say it all the time, ‘You can’t fish and miss.’ If he missed it’s a layup or dunk. Fortunately Hunter was able to hit it off him. It may have been the biggest defensive play of the game.”

Stats usually don't lie. But ocassionally they can "say" what you want them to say in order to back up an opinion. I believe in this case the "eye test" might tell a different story than the stat line.

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8 years 9 months ago #4475 by konza63
Hawknmo: I believe Corpus and Keegan conveyed my perspective pretty well on this one:

Corpus: Mickelson had a really nice defensive play. But overall the Jayhawks were out of sync when he was in the game.

Keegan: The biggest reason that the same K-State team that trailed by 10 points at halftime on the way to losing to Kansas, 72-63, is quite easy to identify. Fourth-year Kansas junior post man Landen Lucas played 10 minutes in the first half and K-State wide bodies D.J. Johnson and Stephen Hurt combined for five points. Lucas played three second-half minutes before fouling out and K-State’s two hulks combined for 19 points.

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Translation: it was a pretty big fall-off (on both ends) once Lucas left the floor (regardless of who we were shuffling out there). I know you personally don't buy that, because you still don't believe in Landen, but that's for you to sort out (or not). As for Hunter, I'm glad that he finally got some minutes from Coach Self, though it took LL and JT fouling out (and Ellis getting knocked out) to get him on the floor. At future points Hunter will be needed, as will others. I hope he keeps his head up high and remains ready to contribute at a moment's notice. All hands on deck, as it were...

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