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8 years 9 months ago #4297
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ADVANCE WARNING: A week from today, I'll be getting on an airplane to go
see the total solar eclipse over Indonesia. If I'm not in panic mode
getting ready for the trip, I'll post the usual predictions for the Texas
Tech game, but don't count on game predictions for the Big Monday Texas
game and the season finale with Iowa State. Also, I'll still be on travel
during the Big 12 tournament, so there might not be any game predictions
for those either. If I have Internet access and the time, I'll try to
do what I can, but if you'll suffer from withdrawal symptoms, see your
doctor for a prescription now.
Kansas State may be in eighth place among Big 12 conference teams, but
their three overtime contests could have easily gone in their favor, in
which case their conference record could be 7-6, right up there with
Iowa State. The Wildcats are not to be taken lightly. And recent
history has shown that Kansas can indeed come out of Manhattan with a
loss. The Jayhawks had better be ready to play.
Sagarin gives Kansas a 5.4 point margin, with a 71.5 percent probability
of winning the game. Considering that the two teams average 144.1 points
per game, that suggests a final score of Kansas 75, Kansas State 69, with
the rounding working in the Jayhawks' favor. Kansas has been playing
0.7 points above expectation, while Kansas State has been playing 0.1 points
below expectation, which means that the Jayhawks could be a 6.2 point
favorite. Six straight above-expectation performances have finally negated
the five straight below-expectation performances, and the trend for Kansas
is now marginally positive, though not statistically significant. The
Wildcats also have a marginally positive trend, a little larger than the
Jayhawks', but also not statistically significant. Kansas has a negative
mental toughness rating, while Kansas State has a positive rating, but
neither is statistically significant. Taken at face value, the margin for
Kansas becomes 5.6 points. The Wildcats are more consistent than the
Jayhawks. Kansas State has played 6 of their 26 games above expectation
by more than 5.4 points, which would be enough to win today's game. That
corresponds to a 23 percent chance of winning. Meanwhile, Kansas has played
6 of their 25 Division I games below expectation by more than 5.4 points,
which would be enough to lose today's game. That corresponds to a 24 percent
chance of losing. The average is a 23.5 percent chance of Kansas losing, a
bit more optimistic than the probability based on the Sagarin Predictor
ratings shown above.
Massey gives Kansas a 4.0 point margin, with a 64 percent probability of
winning the game. His projected final score is Kansas 74, Kansas State 70.
Pomeroy has Kansas with the better adjusted offense by 13.7 units, but
Kansas State has the better adjusted defense by 2.8 units, which combine
to a 10.9 units advantage for Kansas. With an average of 69.1 possessions
per game, the margin for the Jayhawks works out to 7.5 points on a neutral
court. Given Sagarin's 3.3 point home court advantage, Kansas becomes a
4.2 point favorite. The ratings suggest a final score of Kansas 73,
Kansas State 69.
I think I caught Greenfield in the middle of an update. Initially he had
Kansas with a 5.5 point margin, but moments later, it was down to just 5.0
points, although the Vegas Implied final score remained un-updated with
Kansas at 74.5 (you pick the rounding) and Kansas State at 69. Among the
key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in six of eight categories;
Kansas State has a higher offensive rebound percentage and attempts more
free throws per field goal attempt. Among the key defensive stats, Kansas
has the advantage in four of seven categories; Kansas State holds opponents
to fewer points per game, grabs more offensive rebounds per game, and steals
more balls per game.
Dunkel gives Kansas an 8.5 point margin, and he claims that a Vegas line is
at 5.5 points, so he is picking Kansas against the spread. With a total
points projection of 135, the implied final score is Kansas 72, Kansas State
63. Meanwhile, he claims the Vegas total is 140.0, which would imply a final
score of Kansas 73, Kansas State 67.
Real Time gives Kansas just a 2.0 point margin with a final score of
Kansas 78, Kansas State 76. The probability of winning the game is given
as 52.5 percent.
RPI rankings are now being taken from Collegiate Basketball News, generally
considered the most reliable of the various RPI ratings out there. Guess
who is back on top of the RPI rankings?
Dolphin gives Kansas a 4.8 point margin, with a 66.4 percent probability of
winning the game. The projected final score is Kansas 72, Kansas State 68,
with the rounding working in the Wildcats' favor.
Whitlock's ratings differential is 11.5 units in favor of Kansas, but we
need to calibrate that differential. Previously, I determined a scaling
factor of 0.726 just before conference play began, and I'm planning to stick
with that value for consistency purposes. That makes Kansas an 8.3 point
favorite on a neutral court, but after accounting for Sagarin's 3.3 point
home court advantage, Kansas becomes a 5.0 point favorite.
ESPN's BPI shows a points versus average differential of 5.4 points in favor
of Kansas on a neutral court; account for Sagarin's 3.3 point home court
advantage, and Kansas is a 2.1 point favorite.
Blasphemy! Seven Overtimes makes Kansas a 1.0 point underdog, corresponding
to a 47 percent probability of winning the game. The projected final score
is 71 to 72. The only doubter among the various prognostications shown here.
Crotistics gives Kansas a 3.7 point margin. The Jayhawks are his #1 team.
DPPI gives Kansas a 4.3 point margin.
There are eight common opponents, all from the conference, one of which
Kansas State has played twice (Baylor), one of which Kansas has played
twice (TCU), and three of which both have played twice (West Virginia,
Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State), in which case I'm using only the home-home
and road-road permutations, plus the head-to-head in Lawrence, giving us
14 scores to compare:
KU +10 WV at home ( +6 neutral) KU -11 WV on road ( -7 neutral)
KSU -4 WV at home ( -8 neutral) KSU -15 WV on road (-11 neutral)
KU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral) KU 0 KSU on road ( +4 neutral)
KU +9 UT at home ( +5 neutral)
KSU -3 UT on road ( +1 neutral)
KU 0 KSU on road ( +4 neutral)
KU +4 OU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +3 OU at home ( -1 neutral)
KSU -10 OU on road ( -6 neutral) KSU +11 OU at home ( +7 neutral)
KU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral) KU -12 KSU on road ( -8 neutral)
KU +10 TT on road (+14 neutral)
KSU +13 TT at home ( +9 neutral)
KU +1 KSU on road ( +5 neutral)
KU -13 ISU on road ( -9 neutral)
KSU -13 ISU at home (-17 neutral)
KU +4 KSU on road ( +8 neutral)
KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral) KU +28 BU at home (+24 neutral)
KSU -7 BU on road ( -3 neutral) KSU -10 BU at home (-14 neutral)
KU +23 KSU on road (+27 neutral) KU +34 KSU on road (+38 neutral)
KU +27 OSU at home (+23 neutral) KU -19 OSU on road (-15 neutral)
KSU +16 OSU at home (+12 neutral) KSU -3 OSU on road ( +1 neutral)
KU +7 KSU on road (+11 neutral) KU -20 KSU on road (-16 neutral)
KU +7 TCU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +19 TCU on road (+23 neutral)
KSU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral) KSU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral)
KU -19 KSU on road (-15 neutral) KU +1 KSU on road ( +5 neutral)
KU +18 KSU at home (+14 neutral)
KU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral)
Nine of the comparisons favor Kansas, three favor Kansas State, and two
are a wash. The average is 3.5 points in favor of Kansas.
Players to watch: Forward Wesley Iwundu plays the most minutes, scores the
most points, and dishes the most assists, but also commits the most turnovers.
Guard Justin Edwards is their leading rebounder and leading thief. Forward
D. J. Johnson is their leading shot blocker. Forward Dean Wade commits the
most personal fouls. Guard Kamau Stokes is out with a knee injury; he was
playing the third-most minutes on the team and scoring the fourth-most points.
The average of the various prognostications is 4.3 points in favor of Kansas.
The projected final score would be Kansas 74, Kansas State 70, in agreement
with Massey.
Rock Chalk!
=================================== Sagarin ====================================
Rate SoS PP GM Rcnt Perf Inc. Trend Mental Tufness
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------- --------------
Kansas # 3 # 5 # 4 # 3 # 3 +0.7 10.6 +0.01 +/- 0.30 -0.09 +/- 0.21
Kansas State # 47 # 13 # 44 # 50 # 49 -0.1 8.2 +0.06 +/- 0.22 +0.04 +/- 0.14
= Massey = = Pomeroy = Greenfield Dunkel Real Time === RPI ===
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 2 # 7 # 4 # 6 # 2 # 1 # 5 # 2 # 10 # 1 # 7
Kansas State # 56 # 13 # 44 # 18 # 53 # 26 # 71 # 81 # 24 # 70 # 28
======================= Dolphin ====================== ===== == DPPI ==
Std. Med. Pre. IRPI RPI Pair Poll Sched Recrd Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----
Kansas # 1 # 1 # 2 # 3 # 1 # 1 # 1 1.089 22-4 # #
Kansas State # 58 # 58 # 45 # 69 # 63 # 56 # 56 0.836 15-11 # #
= Colley = Whitlock ESPN BPI == LRMC == == 7OT === Crotistics
Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS Rate SoS
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Kansas # 2 # 3 # 2 # 19 # 11 # 60 # 5 # 14 # 5 # 8 # 1 # 4
Kansas State # 70 # 11 # 44 # 11 # 46 # 11 # 43 # 33 # 48 # 34 # 41 # 6
Here is Kansas' season; the season projection is currently at 26-5:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #317 Northern Colorado 109 72 +34.71 +2.29
NEUT # 1 Michigan State 73 79 -0.78 -5.22
Div2 Chaminade 123 72
NEUT # 53 UCLA 92 73 +9.91 +9.09
NEUT # 19 Vanderbilt 70 63 +4.02 +2.98
HOME #287 Loyola-Maryland 94 61 +31.52 +1.48
HOME #173 Harvard 75 69 +23.82 -17.82
HOME #299 Holy Cross 92 59 +32.70 +0.30
HOME # 64 Oregon State 82 67 +14.56 +0.44
HOME #165 Montana 88 46 +23.01 +18.99
AWAY # 65 San Diego State 70 57 +7.94 +5.06
HOME #104 UC Irvine 78 53 +17.84 +7.16
HOME # 33 Baylor 102 74 +9.86 +18.14
HOME # 9 Oklahoma 109 106 +4.82 -1.82
AWAY # 48 Texas Tech 69 59 +5.58 +4.42
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 63 74 -3.23 -7.77
HOME #131 TCU 70 63 +20.59 -13.59
AWAY # 73 Oklahoma State 67 86 +8.51 -27.51
HOME # 29 Texas 76 67 +9.21 -0.21
AWAY # 22 Iowa State 72 85 +1.43 -14.43
HOME # 11 Kentucky 90 84 +5.53 +0.47
HOME # 44 Kansas State 77 59 +12.07 +5.93
AWAY #131 TCU 75 56 +13.91 +5.09
HOME # 5 West Virginia 75 65 +3.45 +6.55
AWAY # 9 Oklahoma 76 72 -1.86 +5.86
HOME # 73 Oklahoma State 94 67 +15.19 +11.81
AWAY # 44 Kansas State +5.39 0.715
AWAY # 33 Baylor +3.18 0.613
HOME # 48 Texas Tech +12.26 0.907
AWAY # 29 Texas +2.53 0.595
HOME # 22 Iowa State +8.11 0.803
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #312 Md.-Eastern Shore(UMES) 80 53 +25.59 +1.41
HOME #126 Columbia 81 71 +11.57 -1.57
HOME #214 South Dakota 93 72 +17.57 +3.43
NEUT #141 Missouri 66 42 +9.55 +14.45
NEUT # 8 North Carolina 70 80 -7.41 -2.59
HOME #281 SC State 68 66 +22.56 -20.56
AWAY # 79 Georgia 68 66 +0.24 +1.76
HOME #332 Coppin State 83 58 +28.04 -3.04
AWAY # 20 Texas A&M 68 78 -7.97 -2.03
HOME #145 Colorado State 61 56 +13.05 -8.05
HOME #206 North Dakota 63 49 +17.20 -3.20
HOME #230 Saint Louis 75 47 +18.82 +9.18
HOME # 5 West Virginia 83 87 -5.28 +1.28
AWAY # 29 Texas 57 60 -6.20 +3.20
AWAY # 9 Oklahoma 76 86 -10.59 +0.59
HOME # 48 Texas Tech 83 70 +3.53 +9.47
HOME # 22 Iowa State 63 76 -0.62 -12.38
AWAY # 33 Baylor 72 79 -5.55 -1.45
HOME # 73 Oklahoma State 89 73 +6.46 +9.54
AWAY # 5 West Virginia 55 70 -11.96 -3.04
HOME # 85 Mississippi 69 64 +7.62 -2.62
AWAY # 4 Kansas 59 77 -12.07 -5.93
HOME # 9 Oklahoma 80 69 -3.91 +14.91
HOME # 33 Baylor 72 82 +1.13 -11.13
AWAY # 73 Oklahoma State 55 58 -0.22 -2.78
AWAY #131 TCU 63 49 +5.18 +8.82
HOME # 4 Kansas -5.39 0.285
HOME # 29 Texas +0.48 0.520
AWAY # 22 Iowa State -7.30 0.187
HOME #131 TCU +11.86 0.911
AWAY # 48 Texas Tech -3.15 0.345
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8 years 9 months ago #4300
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"When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." President Trump
Thank you! Enjoy your trip. Sounds awesome!
"When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." President Trump
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8 years 9 months ago #4304
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Thanks for the heads up and safe travels.
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8 years 9 months ago #4305
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
Geez, you must be some sort of astrophysicist or something. Enjoy the trip.
Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
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8 years 9 months ago #4307
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Thanks for all your effort.
Safe travels , have a great trip
Safe travels , have a great trip
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8 years 9 months ago #4308
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
I'm thinking we are reading about some of your "other" work in this story?
www.universetoday.com/127468/we-have-und...s-destructive-reach/
Safe travels, Jayhawk! A hui hou!
www.universetoday.com/127468/we-have-und...s-destructive-reach/
Safe travels, Jayhawk! A hui hou!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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8 years 9 months ago #4312
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thanks - and safe travels!
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8 years 9 months ago #4323
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"Be on your guard. There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of the earth." - Gandalf on passing through Columbia, MO
Nice find, Eric. Another very interesting aspect to why our home hasn't been hit more often.
"Be on your guard. There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of the earth." - Gandalf on passing through Columbia, MO
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8 years 9 months ago #4328
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Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
So an asteroid is going to make a close pass by Earth on 3/5, and Asteroid will be incommunicado.
I'm going to restock the pantry.
I'm going to restock the pantry.
Yea,yea,yea, keepin' the faith
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8 years 9 months ago #4332
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Great avatar, KMT!!!
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