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www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12...article61135822.html
So, their players, coach, and fans are going into the game with anger (as usual--it's always something with that inferiority complex-ridden school and fan base). Meanwhile, KU's players, coach, and fans all remember the nonsensical court-storming and T-boning of Jamari, along with the K-State band's formation of what the K-State guard has labeled Greene.
It just wouldn't be KU and K-Suck without blood in the water.
I hope we kick their loving $*(&($@& all the way to Kanorado!
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Our family was a KU family in a sea of KStarters (even thou my dad was a farmer). 3 of 4 kids in our family attended KU. Such an experience is where true behavioral traits came out that definitately re-enforced my interest not to attend KSU. Had no interest in re-living my hometome as relocated to KSU campus. They seemed to reak of immaturity.
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Yes, Greene did just play one minute in the next game after Self said there would be no punishment, but that minute actually came in the middle of the first half.
Mongo just pawn in game of life.
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Octagon of Dumb.....
AND do they have ANY songs but their fight song and Wabash Cannonball for their band to play?
Darn! Now where did I stash that snickers?
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Sorry, that's just the way it is.
Now, with that in mind, Greene's not a starter. It's entirely possible that HCBS won't make it an issue if we're in control of the game, and simply won't play him much (or at all).
Should be interesting, but in the end, Greene brought this on himself. I imagine that if he gets in the game, he'll be greeted with the loudest boos that KSU can muster. Knowing Greene, if he responds by draining a 3, he'll take the low road and make some kind of asinine gesture which will just exacerbate things. Hoping that somebody takes him aside and gives him some "instruction" on humility and sportsmanship in anticipation of what will likely be the case.
Just hope that it doesn't escalate beyond some booing and/or trash talking. KSU is 6 games back with 5 to play...out of it. With nothing left to lose on the season, it's a great opportunity for people to make stupid decisions. Our guys (and Greene in particular) need to recognize that we're still in a conference race and need to set ourselves up for a deep tourney run...no matter what KSU might have to say about it.
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the Octagon of Dung and return the purple court storming hordes of miscreants back to their rightful place: last place. They should be grateful, as that will get them an opportunity for an extra play-in game in the Big 12 tournament. There may be a DVD in the works...
...authentic frontier jibberish...
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After that, their OFFICIAL SCHOOL BAND (administered by the school, and seemingly mature adults?) mocked KU with a pornographic formation showing KU on the receiving end of...well, we don't have to go there. Then they denied it was actually what it was, until the band director eventually, half-heartedly, "apologized."
In contrast, Brannen (who we all know is the least mature kid on the team and is prone to dumb social moves, yet is certainly not some sort of villainous axe-murderer) apologized for his dunk, AND he got called out and rebuked in the most public of ways. It certainly doesn't get much worse than your own coach calling you a **** in public.
So, whatever. They want to keep this issue alive just to further poison the waters with their fans, so they drink more grain alcohol and get more incensed before coming to the game? Fine. And the players want to call another team's player a **** in public, after said apologies? That's ridiculous, but Fine. Go for it. And then their same players want to entice their fans to prepare for another court stampede, should the refs help out enough to propel the Grapes to a win? Whatever.
Here's the deal. Brannen didn't head-spear anyone and knock them unconscious (see: Steelers vs. Bengals, playoffs). He didn't spit at anyone. He didn't hit or rough up another player. He made an unsportsmanlike move. We apologized. But if they turn this into more than it is--and resort to goonish behavior on the court, or try to goad us into something physical, the REFS need to step in immediately and CALL THEM ON IT. As far as the refs are concerned for this game, they CANNOT bring something that has no bearing on THIS GAME (the dunk from two weeks back) into play, or into their minds. If a K-Suck player does something to one of our guys, in other words, there should not be offsetting fouls or T's called, just because the Purps are still butthurt over something that happened at AFH. And that's what worries me, along with Liberace's incessant whining about the foul calls at AFH: that the refs are going to go so overboard in this game in trying to pamper the poor little purple pansies that it's going to bite KU on the scoreboard. If you play this game fair and square, KU wins it 97 times out 100. I have a bad feeling, though, that the surrounding atmospherics are going to cause some odd happenings with the officiating. I hope I'm very wrong and it's played straight up, since that's all advantage KU.
On to the game.
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Kind of like Marcus Smart's backflip in AFH. Didn't hurt anybody, was a spontaneous act of joy. But plenty of fans took it as an affront to KU and it was used to stir the pot with the players.
Brannen obviously didn't murder anybody, but his actions can be used as a motivator. Combine that with the proven idiocy of the KSU fan base, and mix in a bunch of players whose season is in a shambles, and weird things happen.
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My post was just to underscore that there are two sides to the "affronted" or "dissed" story. And it's almost like a jury selection situation with the refs: if they're normal human beings and read sports pages, they'll hear all about how KU (Greene) dissed K-State last time and they want revenge. Even if they are relatively objective officials, that kind of thing can creep into the back of their mind and influence calls. Or at least that's a concern I have.
The other thing is just the indignant, self-righteous "nonsense" (I could've chosen a more appropriate term, first syllable rhymes with "full" and second one rhymes with "pit") from that entire program. I get really sick of it. I've personally tried the "olive branch" approach with them (live and in person, with friends and strangers alike wedded to that school)...but 9 times out of 10 I've received biting thorns in return.
Let me also ask you this, since you are, like me, a multi-faceted sports fan. And this question goes to everyone on the entire board, as well-rounded sports fans with probably a few centuries of collective experience following games. In your entire experience following college sports, and even professional sports, have you ever heard of a player (in this case, a K-State senior guard) calling an opposing player a **** (or any other lewd name) in a public press conference? Even in all of the years of the heated Chiefs-Raiders and Chiefs-Broncos rivalry, the KU-Misery rivalry, and beyond that to Ali-Frazier, Celtics-Lakers, and on and on, I've never seen or heard of this.
Private aspersions, for sure (or you have to believe--constantly, in fact). But publicly calling another player that term? I can't recall any such instance. But even if they exist, I bet folks can count them on one hand.
That is how over the top that act was, IMHO. I hope the KU players and staff saw it that way too, and come out ready to crush the Grapes--on the court, fair and square, just with their game. Let the Staties embarrass themselves with goonery, rise above it, but destroy them on the floor. Then smile, wave to the crowd, and walk off.
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PS: Assuming the Squeak hangs around another year in Purpville, the shirt will keep on giving the whole year round.*
* To borrow the immortal words of Cousin Eddie, upon Clark Griswold winning a year's subscription to the Jelly of the Month Club
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Thankfully, living in Lawrence it's not as big an issue as it would be living in other parts of the state (and I wouldn't live anywhere else in Kansas -- ah, the pull of family).
No, I do not think I would miss KState at all should the twain ever split in the future.
P.S. -- I really liked the way that KCStar article was presented, and especially the closing video interview with Jamari after last year's game in Maggotville. ("Bite the [little] apple, don't mind the maggots... Shattered!)
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BG: yea, coach, I see that. I really do. I mostly regret it but you know it is kind of hard for me to see beyond my competitiveness.
Self: Dude, I do see that but I also need you to understand that this issue of sporstmanship is not just about how you feel but is really more about knowing and doing the right thing.
BG: I respect you coach and I hear what you're saying and I want to get it.
Self: Well, BG you can start by living into KU's standards when we play in Manahattan tomorrow
BG: What is it you want me to do, coach
Self: Well you clearly know that your little antic in Lawrence last month has made you public enemy number one and the fans are going to try their best to get into your head and make you as intimidated or angry or get some sort of reaction from you.
BG: I'm cool with that coach. I know what they are going to do and it won't faze me coach.
Self: Don't be a fool Brannen. Of course it will get to you. That is my exact point and my worry. Unless you are ready to commit to doing what's right regardless of how you feel and until you are ready to discipline yourself to do what's right when you are feeling that anger or feeling that desire to lash out, until you are ready to make a decision with your head instead of your emotions, you are not going to react well. So I am not going to try to convince you to not let those emotions swell up when you hear the crap they are going to bring. I know pretty well those emotions will be there. What I am telling you , BG, is that when you sense that, your job is to remember that name on the front of your uniform and to commit to doing what is right and not what your emotions are going to push you to do.
BG: I think I see coach. Yah, you are probably right, I will probably get pretty worked up when they start with all that crap. So how can I keep from acting the fool?
Self: that is the question I was hoping you would ask. Brannen, I am going to get you and your teammates together and they are going to commit to keeping you acocuntable. This is not just on you. This is on all of us. But we are Kansas. When everyone else is acting the fool, we will do what is right. When they start booing or when they break out the tasteless placards or signs we will double down on playing our game and we will show them that our style of toughnosed team execution basketball is more than a match for their emotionally charged silly desire for revenge. We will grind them into the gound with our excellent team basketball play and when we have completely demoralized them with our play, we will wish them good luck and express our admiration for their effort. They will yell loud with their trash talk and their classless signs from the fans and their chants and their rushing the court and all that. We will be yelling louder with our scoreboard and our sporstmanship. Brannen, we don't seek revenge, we seek to show the basketball world that we are the best team. We don't seek to find reasons to rise to the peak of our abilities. We have more than ample reason to simply play for the name on the front of this jersey and the other 13 players wearing that jersey. We will always want it more than the other guys becasue they find their motivation in retaliation for some silly slight they perceive while we find motivation to bring honor to all that KU has stood for from Dr. Naismith, to Dr. Allen, to 5 national championships, to the repustion as the toughest home court advantage in all of sports, to the fans that expect us to give our all and represent them and their...our school with grit, class and excellence. Brannen, the loudest, gaudiest, in your face message you can send to the K-State team and fans is to exemplify the excellnece and sportsmanship that is KU. That will heap burning coals on their head as they burn in the angst of jealousy and inferiority. So Brannen, when you get on the court tomorrow, you will play with excellence, you will play to the scouting report, you will give 100% effort, you will play in the team set, you will hustle with all you have and you will keep your mouth shut and smile and look to scoreboard as you drain your 7th straight three to put us up by 30. And when the crowd boos when you touch the ball you will look at your teammates and wink and you will silently say to each other..."I love being a Jayahwk."
BG: I will coach. I promise.
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Let the Staties embarrass themselves with goonery, rise above it, but destroy them on the floor. Then smile, wave to the crowd, and walk off.
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It takes two to tango in the "taking offense" world: the original offender and the offended. If you went on TV in a press conference and called me a @##$%, after I saved it on the DVR and proudly posted it on social media, I'd have the choice of whether or not to be offended.
As part of that determination, I’d consider the motives. Did my old web buddy Konza63 REALLY mean to call me that, or did he think that my occupation involved carnal relationships with women who’ve given birth?
Regardless, I’d still have the choice, and all too often today people forget about “the benefit of the doubt” when examining motives and rush to find ways to be offended. In reality, and in this case, Greene’s cheap dunk ended up being an embarrassment to Greene, not KSU. They had 40 whole minutes to embarrass themselves without him adding to it.
Nevertheless, if they’re using it to create some kind of false indignation to rile up the team and try to prevent 2/3’s of their “home crowd” arriving from Lawrence on game day, so be it. As Greene has hopefully learned, it’s easier not to give them the shiny object to play with in the first place.
As for your point about famous callouts, nothing comes to mind outside of professional wrestling. I’m sure if I had the tolerance to rifle through pre-bout interviews from certain boxers or MMA types, there might be some examples out there. Nevertheless it’s typically not done.
Then again, KSU fans have shown how classless they can be, so nothing would surprise me. They just don’t get it. If anything I admired how the ISU fans DIDN’T storm the court when they beat us. The message was clear, “we SHOULD beat you in our house…this was no big deal.” Speaks volumes compared to tossing Self onto the scorer’s table and cheap-shotting Traylor.
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Ok, nevermind..probably a little too much. I'll settle for hearing the Rock Chalk Chant coming through my speakers on the TV.
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