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initial Big 12 projection
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8 years 10 months ago #1079
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The two games played by Big 12 teams on Wednesday were the last to be played before conference play
gets underway this weekend. The Sagarin ratings that include Wednesday's games are now out, so it's
a good time to look at the Big 12 conference projection.
Init.
Pred Proj.
Rank Big XII Team Wins
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# 2 Kansas 14.37
# 6 Oklahoma 13.70
# 4 West Virginia 13.69
# 29 Iowa State 9.68
# 31 Baylor 9.00
# 34 Texas 8.14
# 43 Texas Tech 7.13
# 46 Kansas State 6.98
# 92 Oklahoma State 4.48
#136 TCU 2.83
The first Big Monday of the season is shaping up to be a battle between the #1 and #2 teams in
Division I. Oklahoma is #1 in the Sagarin Overall and Recent rankings, #2 in Golden Mean, and
#6 in Predictor. Kansas is #1 in Golden Mean and #2 in Overall, Predictor, and Recent. I use
Predictor for the projections, which explains why Kansas starts out in the top spot, which
reminds me of the following:
"Things that are inevitable: death, taxes, and Kansas winning the Big 12."
--Doug Gottlieb
West Virginia is #15 Overall, #10 in Golden Mean, and #16 in Recent, but way up there at #4 in
Predictor. But they haven't played much of a schedule, so we'll see if they're deserving of
such a lofty ranking. Tubby appears to have turned around Texas Tech; they're no longer projected
to be among the Bottom 2 with TCU.
Most Big 12 teams are underrated, but most are also not showing any signs of improvement, relative to other
teams. So far, Texas Tech has played every game within 10 points of expectation, the best consistency in
the conference. Meanwhile, Texas has some impressive victories, but also some puzzling losses, so the
Longhorns have the worst consistency rating; the loss of Ridley is unlikely to help matters.
Performance (points) Inconsistency (points) Trend (points per game) Mental toughness
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West Virginia +3.20 Texas Tech 6.52 Texas Tech +1.71 +/- 0.32 Oklahoma State +0.31 +/- 0.32
Oklahoma +2.15 Kansas 7.41 Kansas +0.77 +/- 0.70 Iowa State +0.30 +/- 0.23
Kansas +1.86 Oklahoma 8.77 Texas +0.49 +/- 1.06 Oklahoma +0.18 +/- 0.27
Texas Tech +1.24 TCU 8.83 Oklahoma State -0.18 +/- 0.93 Kansas State +0.16 +/- 0.24
Iowa State +0.54 Kansas State 9.42 Oklahoma -0.21 +/- 0.88 TCU -0.09 +/- 0.21
Texas +0.34 Iowa State 9.61 Kansas State -0.37 +/- 0.82 Kansas -0.10 +/- 0.20
Baylor +0.33 West Virginia 10.61 West Virginia -0.38 +/- 0.92 Baylor -0.20 +/- 0.26
Oklahoma State -0.18 Oklahoma State 10.67 TCU -0.62 +/- 0.75 Texas Tech -0.21 +/- 0.24
Kansas State -0.23 Baylor 10.94 Iowa State -1.63 +/- 0.67 Texas -0.40 +/- 0.30
TCU -0.53 Texas 12.17 Baylor -1.94 +/- 0.89 West Virginia -0.49 +/- 0.25
Scoring is up this season, way up, thanks to the new rules. The average Total Points is 143.95 this season,
compared to 133.24 last season. As usual, Schedule Strengths are fairly low but will improve rapidly as
conference play accumulates. In particular, TCU has played the 7th weakest schedule in all of Division I.
Baylor, surprisingly, hasn't done much better; the Bears may be in for a rude awakening starting this weekend.
Average offense (pts) Average defense (pts) Total Points Scoring Margin (pts) Schedule Strength
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Oklahoma 86.09 West Virginia 60.92 Iowa State 157.42 West Virginia +24.17 Texas 76.46 ( 30)
West Virginia 85.08 Kansas State 62.50 Oklahoma 153.09 Oklahoma +19.09 Kansas 74.58 ( 86)
Iowa State 84.92 Oklahoma State 64.33 Kansas 147.45 Kansas +18.18 Oklahoma 74.28 ( 93)
Kansas 82.82 Kansas 64.64 West Virginia 146.00 Baylor +13.45 Iowa State 73.15 (134)
Baylor 78.45 Baylor 65.00 Texas 144.17 Iowa State +12.42 Texas Tech 72.68 (150)
Texas 75.00 TCU 65.83 Baylor 143.45 Kansas State +9.50 Kansas State 69.53 (279)
Texas Tech 74.82 Texas Tech 65.91 Texas Tech 140.73 Texas Tech +8.91 West Virginia 69.30 (281)
Kansas State 72.00 Oklahoma 67.00 TCU 137.50 Oklahoma State +6.50 Oklahoma State 69.07 (288)
TCU 71.67 Texas 69.17 Oklahoma State 135.17 TCU +5.83 Baylor 67.47 (328)
Oklahoma State 70.83 Iowa State 72.50 Kansas State 134.50 Texas +5.83 TCU 65.11 (345)
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8 years 10 months ago #1088
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
Great stuff as always David. I am pumped to go up against Sagarin. I designed the DPPI to be a pure predictive model. Sagarin is more or less the gold standard so I am hoping to compare favorably. We both have the Big 12 down to a three team race. I like your stat of comparing the consistency. I do a StDev to projected margin for each team and it was eye-opening. For all 351 teams it varied from 4 points to 18 points. The average was about 7.5. That prompted me to put an "outlier adjustment" into the DPPI to soften the impact of potentially anomalous games assuming that something non-predictive impacted those games (star player out sick, for instance).
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8 years 10 months ago #1089
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When I hear pundits talk about the Big XII race I hear about KU ISU and OU but hardly ever about WVU. This initial projection says they need to be taken seriously. They have always had the issue of winning away from home in conference and I expect that to continue a bit as Huggy's style relies on getting the calls to some degree. Hopefully our 2 point alignment will negate their pressure. OU is interesting because they can shoot the ball real well. I think we will put Wayne on Mr. Hield but we will see.
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8 years 10 months ago #1096
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
The last 2 seasons we have split with West Virginia. In the last three seasons since West Virginia joined the Big 12, KU has lost 13 conference games (not counting Big 12 tourney). Twice each to Oklahoma, West Virginia and Kansas St., once each to Baylor, Iowa St., TCU and Texas. Our biggest nemesis is Oklahoma St.. We have lost once to them in each of the last three seasons. Texas Tech is the only Big 12 team not to defeat KU in the last three seasons. This could be that year if we don't take our "A" game to Lubbock. But based on my DPPI the Mountaineers are the team to beat this year. I am not sure why they are not getting more National love. The Massey Composite (which will soon include the DPPI) has West Virginia 13th overall but I can just about guarantee they will be top 10 in next week's composite. Mark my word, watch out for West Virginia.
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