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Have we become MU? Miami U in its heyday?
What in the world is going on?
If half of this stuff is true, it speaks to lack of institutional control. Insufficient warning and punishment from the top (at the outset of the first or second incident) to set the tone and hopefully deter new incidents.
What do others think?
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Specifically, I have open questions about the authors' motivation, their background, and their objectivity. The last two were not done by the KU beat guys, Newell and Bedore, but instead by people I've never heard of. They are also regurgitating every other recent incident and alleged KU player transgression in every new article--which serves to give the inpresssion of the Wild West or inmates running the insane asylum at KU.
Lastly, I'm not an expert on the latest Title IX (is it?) regulations, but I have been led to believe that, once incidents like those reported are in the hands of the university, they remain confidential to protect all parties (presumably until or unless there are actual charges pursued on court?). If that's true, and I defer to people who know the new processes, then someone inside KU is leaking a steady stream of internal, confidential info to a source at the Star. Not only that, but Coach Self and others who might be able to talk about the incident(s) and perhaps balance out the picture are defenseless because they cannot do so. And that takes me back to my concern above about uncertain intent, background, and motivation.
Are the stories credible and fair game? Or do they constitute an intentional hachet job against KU?
I'd really like to have more information. But regardless, this is not an attempt by me to dismiss what appears to be an alarming set of trends and behaviors associated with the current team. Behaviors that obviously are distracting and threaten to take away from what should otherwise be a thrilling, memorable, and historic (13) season.
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"Now, this is a bigger deal.
We don’t know if a police report was ever made, but the fact no charges were filed is why he’s playing.
Vick may have been “suspended” — he missed two games last season, though at the time Self said Vick was sick — but with no criminal charges, there was no further punishment that we know about.
University Title IX investigations are tricky. After the game last night, Self read from a prepared statement that essentially said he hasn’t been made aware of anything. It was, basically, a 95-word no comment.
Now, obviously I think he knows more than he’s letting on. But I do believe the university keeps as much of this away from coaches as possible, which calls into question a system in which the coach might not have all the information he might need to make a punishment.
Self is putting himself out there a bit on this, and that’s interesting for a lot of reasons. He is a wildly successful coach. After he retires, there will be a statue of him or something named after him at Allen Fieldhouse. He’ll be inducted to various Halls of Fame. He makes many millions of dollars.
He has, in other words, nothing to gain by sticking up for a player — especially, if we’re honest, a role player — unless he knows more of what happened than the portion of the story we know so far from Laura Bauer’s excellent reporting.
The fact that no criminal charges were filed gives Self room to do this. But I don’t think Self would let play Vick if he didn’t know something more. Self suspended Bragg when he was charged with violence against a woman, and let him back on the team after the prosecutor said surveillance video showed the woman should be charged instead.
This is a difficult needle to thread. A coach has to be aware of any appearance of being tolerant about domestic violence. But he also needs to be fair, and support his players when he can.
Here’s what I keep landing on: Self does not have a track record of being soft on things like this."
Read more here: www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-bl...9.html#storylink=cpy
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Hopefully it's all overblown or settled, and the team can just focus on their goals on the court.
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-reported rape at BBall dorm. Several players called in as witnesses.
-player busted with in drug charge and suspended.
-reports of a player who punched and kicked a woman last season.
-current reports of the same player trashing the same woman's car with blue chip one and done freshman likely involved.
This is just the past couple weeks folks. Granted I used language that put this in the worst light possible, but this is likely how it's being perceived by many.
On the flipside, we're in the hunt for a 13th straight title to tie a record that may never be matched, and we've got a team capable of going deep in March.
I'm really torn up about this. This is not KU, nor is it how I perceive HCBS as a leader.
So here's the million dollar question. If the worst case scenarios play out, are we ready to boot Vick, Bragg, and Jackson? Even if it costs us a "the streak" and a deep run in March? I'd HCBS doesn't punish these guys and it comes out that he should have, can we be truly proud of a 13th championship, or will it somehow be tainted?
I don't know, guys. I think most of us are the kinds of people who respect the reputation of the program over all. Are we willing to protect it if it means blowing a historic opportunity? I think I am, but hate being in this position.
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The Star writers on this (both of whom have never done a KU story until now) are very busy pumping themselves and their stories on Twitter ("Breaking news!") and the Star is putting the latest on the front page as the top story. It could be solidly grounded, or it could be yellow journalism. We won't know until said police charges prove that there officially is (or isn't) wrong-doing.
I'm not saying let's sweep this under the rug, but I am saying let's wait until all sides of the story are put forth, and official charges are made, before we jump to conclusions. Or you can do what you want, but that's where I'm coming down.
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Ugh.
Double Ugh.
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These newbie Star reporters had better have their facts straight, or KU might come down on them like a ton of bricks. All the more so since the stories are being splashed all over the country, which leads to a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality in the court of (non-KU) public opinion.
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If you're blasting #kubball players - trust me when I tell you nothing is as it reads and there is a HUGE other side to the story
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